Is the beast from the sea in Revelation 13 one of the beasts or horns in Daniel 7?

Question

There are strong links between the sea beast of Revelation 13 and the beasts of Daniel 7:

1. The beasts in Daniel 7 also come out of the sea (Dan 7:3).

2. The sea beast has the same number of heads and horns that the four beasts of Daniel 7 have in total, namely, seven heads and ten horns. (The leopard has four heads (Dan 7:6) and the fourth beast has ten horns (Dan 7:7).)

3. The sea beast has characteristics of three animals (a lion, a bear, and a leopard) and the first three beasts in Daniel 7 are explicitly like those same three animals (Dan 7:4-6).

4. The dragon, which gave to the sea beast “his power and his throne and great authority” (13:2), is the fourth beast in Daniel 7. This statement is argued as follows:

   • In Revelation 13:2, the sea beast receives something from each of four beasts. Since three of them are explicitly three of the four beasts of Daniel 7, it follows that the fourth beast in 13:2 (the dragon) is the fourth beast of Daniel.

   • Daniel 7 does not say what type of animal the fourth beast is but describes it as “dreadful and terrifying and extremely strong” (Dan 7:7). “Dragon” is a good name for such a beast.

These links imply that the sea beast is part of or a continuation of the series of beasts in Daniel 7. What evidence exists that the beast from the sea in Revelation 13 is one of the four beasts or seven heads or ten (or 11) horns in Daniel 7?

Answer 1

Yes, there are strong links between the beasts of Daniel ch.7 and the sea beast of Revelation ch.13. You rightly wonder if the sea beast "is part of or a continuation of the series of beasts in Daniel 7." There is a need to build upon Daniel ch.7, using its information as a foundation for the fuller prophecy that takes us right to the Day of Judgment.

Rev. ch.13 reveals two global concepts with which the adversary deceives the whole world, just before Christ returns to lawfully recover his throne and dominion from that usurper. There is the beast out of the sea, and the beast out of the earth, but you only ask about the sea beast. You have already detailed many similarities, however, it is the differences between Daniel and the Revelation visions that are important. Daniel saw a series of four figurative beasts in succession. Revelation shows an amalgamation - where one beast out of the sea has leopard, bear, and lion characteristics. It is empowered by the dragon, so cannot be the dragon (as you point out). Now I will give points from a book dealing with this - selected points, as there are many pages of exposition.

"The beast of chapter 13 incorporates features from all the beasts successively revealed in Daniel chapter 7, besides having features of its own. Such a composite implies all those powers envisaged by Daniel depicted manifestations of that concept for the succeeding times then present. But the beast of Revelation 13 answers to time itself... This one beast evidently incorporated the separate and distinct four beasts seen by Daniel...

John sees one beast, though with seven heads. Of these 'heads', Daniel had envisioned four; although in his vision each of the four heads - the third being the exception in appearance - belonged to one or another of the four distinct beasts in succession. John perceives a deeper principle: the heads might have come up one after the other, they may have appeared diverse, but behind them all lay one single concept; the beast.

The vision in Revelation is that in which each of Daniel's allegorical beasts in turn become equally incorporated into the one great power lying deeply beneath every single historical materialization of its age-long strife for dominion...

[Rev. 17:10,11] But none saw the beast - the eighth - of whom these seven were but the visible successive manifestations... [John] knew that the seven 'heads', or 'kings', were connected to the one vast underlying body of power reaching over all time, and active throughout history...

The metaphorical beast represents the means by which the figurative dragon - which signifies the devil, or Satan - seeks to attain his end, that is, to grasp nd hold the throne of world dominion. This he does through what John depicts as a series of monstrous figures, the primary one of which is called the first beast...

The mind of the dragon is to gain the crown rights properly due to Christ. He will have the crowns. In the graphic imagery of Revelation, he will gain his end by the power of the beast, that is, the ten crowned horns. This indicates complete power, as do seven heads perfect intelligence, not in relation to heaven, but in relation to the earth. The beast [out of the sea] will yet again reign completely with the name of blasphemy... Mankind as a whole remains - and will remain - wholly oblivious to what actually takes place in the realm of that which is invisible, spiritual, and visionary. The Revelation of Jesus Christ, pp.307-328 John Metcalfe

In summary, I would express this as the sea beast of Revelation having been in existence even before Daniel's visions, and continuing till Rome, where Daniel's visions stopped. The Roman power suffered the deadly wound (at the cross) but has wondrously revived with multiple horns and diadems. Those equate with worldly (political) facets, allowed to continue 42 symbolic 'months', persecuting and overcoming the saints, even till now.

Much nearer the time of Christ's return, the second earth beast arises - appearing oh-so-religious and lamb-like, but it also blasphemes God by deceiving the world into false worship with signs, such as fire from heaven. It kills those who don't worship the image of the first beast. Those who do give that false, blasphemous worship, have the mark of the beast.

Answer 2

Yes, the beast of Revelation 13 is related to the beasts in Daniel.

¹ And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy. ² And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority. (Revelation 13:1-2, KJV)

As noted in the question, the leopard, the lion, and the bear were each beasts which preceded the fourth beast in Daniel (see Daniel 7:3-6).

After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns. (Daniel 7:7, KJV).

Both the beast of Revelation 13 and the fourth beast of Daniel 7 is said to have "ten horns." A horn represents a power, or a king. As an example, consider the goat in the next chapter of Daniel.

Therefore the he goat waxed very great: and when he was strong, the great horn was broken; and for it came up four notable ones toward the four winds of heaven. (Daniel 8:8, KJV)

The "great horn" of the "he goat" aligns prophetically with Alexander the Great, upon whose demise his kingdom was divided among his four generals, which split the territory among them.

So in both Revelation 13 and in Daniel 7, the ten horns represent ten kings, or we might even say kingdoms. Daniel provides this explanation in the verses which follow.

I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things. (Daniel 7:8, KJV)

And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings. (Daniel 7:24, KJV)

But heads also represent kings or kingdoms (think of a head of state). So it is interesting that in Revelation 13, the beast with the ten horns had seven heads. As Daniel 7:24 mentioned, three of those kings were to be subdued--leaving but seven of the original ten, hence the "seven heads."

As the beast of Revelation 13 represents the same power as the fourth beast of Daniel 7, we see the parallel in Revelation for the "mouth speaking great things" in Daniel.

And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. (Revelation 13:5, KJV)

The additional detail provided for this beast (governmental) power in Revelation is sufficient to make its correct identification.

Answer 3

A common view is that the beasts of Revelation 13 are Behemoth (the beast from the land) and Leviathan (the beast from the sea), the creatures described in Job 40 and 41.

Behemoth is described by God in placid terms in Job 40. It is powerful and exacts tribute. It hides among the reeds, meaning it hides its true intent. In Revelation 13 it is described as resembling a lamb but speaking like a dragon. That may mean that it retains the trappings of Judeo-Christian tradition but has sunk into apostasy and idolatry. It maintains a facade of law and order, but those laws are increasingly unjust.

Leviathan, on the other hand, is described as chaotic. It has no shred of allegiance to Christian tradition. In ancient religious writing, the sea is the source of chaos, death and destruction. It also stands for people in general. Thus anything that arises from the sea arises from the sea of unsaved mankind.

Many theologians associate the fourth beast of Daniel's sequence with Rome. If you consider all the empires with overseas empires that sprang from Rome (including America, its grandchild), the count is ten, and they collectively conquered the whole world, with the exception of a handful of nations, but even those nations were not unscathed. Those empires are Spain, Portugal, Netherlands, France, England, Belgium, Denmark, Germany, Italy and America. Part of Denmark was arguably a vassal state of Rome; Denmark was part of the later Holy Roman Empire. Russia and Greece are excluded as they have their own place in prophecy, Greece being the third beast. Other empires to arise within Europe did not acquire overseas territories. The world's uncolonized lands are (according to one Internet list): Liberia, Ethiopia, Japan, Thailand, Bhutan, Iran, Nepal, Tonga, China, and possibly North Korea, South Korea and Mongolia. However, part of China was "leased" by England, Japan was nuked and occupied by the USA and had a new form of government imposed upon it. The US also occupied South Korea for a long time, Liberia was settled by free slaves from America and Italy briefly held Ethiopia. So pretty much the whole world was conquered by those ten horns from the beast.

Curiously, if you go through the prophets, you often find sets of beasts listed. The lists keep changing. By comparing them all, it is clear that there is a master list.

• Daniel 7: lion, bear, leopard, terrible beast.
• Revelation 13: leopard, bear, lion
• Jeremiah 4:7, 5:6: lion, wolf, leopard
• Lamentations 3:10-13: bear, lion, arrows
• Hosea 13:7-8: lion, leopard, bear
• Isaiah 11:6-7: wolf, leopard, lion, bear, lion again (excluding the meek lamb, yearling, cow, ox)
• Habakkuk 1:8: leopards, wolves, eagle
• Zephaniah 3:3: lions, wolves
• Ezekiel 22:18: copper, tin, iron, lead, silver. (Note that bronze is an alloy of copper and tin and lead is similar in weight to gold. Similar metallic list to Daniel, reordered.)
• Ezekiel 22:25-27: lion, wolves

Habakkuk's eagle is interesting, as it ties to Daniel 7:4, where "the first was a lion, and it had the wings of an eagle". Then the "wings were torn off". Daniel 7:7 associates the metal iron with the fourth beast. (I imagine that some will see in this prophecy a reference to America. England is symbolized by the Lion and America through its revolution was torn off from that Empire, and has the symbol of an eagle.)

I go to great lengths in the chapter "Timeless?" of my book Peace, like Solomon Never Knew to use textual clues (like references to morning and evening) to supply a time sequence to the various beasts and corresponding metals. The conclusion is that the "terrible beast" is synonymous with most prophetic references to wolves, and Rome's creation myth was that Romulus and Remus, the legendary founders of Rome, were suckled by wolves. Thus the prophets used a subterfuge of synonyms to conceal the fact that many prophecies were against Rome.

Hopefully these scriptures can serve as a sourcebook for further study of the beasts.

I am currently researching a theory that the book of Job has the master list of empires. Each "negative speech" plus God's chapters on Behemoth and Leviathan match an empire, in chronological order. A few prophetic references to metals (bronze for Greece and iron for Rome) pop up, but not the beasts. This is the correspondence:

1. Antediluvian Anarchy: Job 1. Satan's first attack is chaotic, with bands of thieves, a tornado and lightning strikes. It matches the time before the flood, a time of anarchy.
2. Nimrod's Babel: Job 2. Job's health suffers, matching the decline in lifespans following the flood. Nimrod is described in Genesis as the first "mighty man" in history, founder of the first human empire.
3. Egypt: Job 5-6. This chapter of Job has many references to the Exodus plagues.
4. Israel/Judah: Job 8.
5. Assyria: Job 11.
6. Babylon: Job 15.
7. Medo-Persia (Achaemenid Dynasty): Job 18. Has clues pointing to the death of Cambyses II.
8. Greece: Job 20. Describes the death of Alexander the Great.
9. Rome: Job 22.
10. Islamic Empires: Job 25.
11. Behemoth: Job 40.
12. Leviathan: Job 41.

In Peace, like Solomon Never Knew, I devote an entire chapter to Job 20. It has about twenty prophetic details that tie it to the setting, symptoms, death and burial of Alexander the Great. I am now digging up comparisons that tie those chapters to the other empires.

The upshot of all this is that you need to find the right scaffolding, then attach prophecies from all over the Bible to that scaffolding so that the many details reinforce one another. Finding a non-contradictory solution that incorporates all the evidence is not easy.

Answer 4

The beast that was, is not and yet is. This is a nation that was then was not then became a nation again. A beast in symbolism is a nation and it’s leader. The harlot is the capitol city of this beast nation as she rides the beast.

Answer 5

The iron legs of the statue in Daniel chapter 2, the fourth unnamed beast of Daniel 7, and the unnamed beast of Revelation 13 are all the same and represent the Roman Empire at different stages of its future history.

It is clear from Daniel chapter 2 that from the time of the Babylonian kingdom until the Second Coming of Christ and the establishment of the Kingdom of God/ World Government, there were only four Empires that affected Jerusalem during the time of Israel/Judea. (The Ottoman Empire was during the Gentile period [see Luke 21:24] when the Jews were not a nation there). These are the Babylonian, Medo-Persian, Greek, and the Roman Empires.

[Some say that it is the First Coming of Jesus that is depicted as the Stone that came during the Roman Empire. If this is true, then the 13th and 17th chapters of Revelation are irrelevant in 98-99 AD and also now].

There are some differences in the 4th beast from the time when Daniel saw it into the future in the 6th century BC to when John saw the same into the future in the 1st century AD; quite naturally because Rome was to progress in history into the future during that time.

(We need to keep in mind that both Daniel and John were looking into the future and seeing things in advance).

Now it has seven heads and 10 horns.

The seven heads are:

• One Head of the Babylon area that was absorbed into the Roman Empire;

• One Head of the Medo-Persian area absorbed;

• Four Heads of the divided Greek empire that happened after the death of Alexander the Great (Daniel 8:8). These were Seleucus (over Syria), Lysimachus, Ptolemy (Egypt), and Cassander. All were absorbed into the Roman Empire.

• One Head of the Roman Empire.

So, 1 + 1 + 4 + 1 = 7 (This is what Revelation 13:2 says).

The dragon is, of course, Satan who gives its power to this political kingdom. “And the great dragon was cast out, the old serpent (the one who deceived Eve in the Garden) being called devil, and, Satan” (Revelation 12:9).

The Roman Empire was very famous for its war-making ability. This is why “all the earth wondered after the beast” (Revelation 13:3) “saying, Who is like the beast; who is able to make war with it?” (verse 4).

When John saw the beast, one of its heads (this is the 7th Roman head) was wounded to death (verse 3). This is the fall of the western Roman Empire in Rome in 476 AD. (Historians mark the end of the Ancient History here). Rome continued only in the eastern Roman Empire centered in Byzantium.

This “deadly wound was healed” (verse 3) when Emperor Justinian from Byzantium recaptured Rome in 535 AD. This is known in history as ‘The Imperial Restoration’.

The 10 horns are to continue one after the other in the very seat of the Roman Empire, that is, Europe until the Second Coming of Christ.

(I would dare say that the 9th Horn was the Hitler-Mussolini Axis Power that culminated in the Second World War; the 8th Horn was Napoleon’s European Empire).

Answer 6

After having read perhaps a dozen or more books on prophecy, I feel I’m more confused than before I read them. Each of them had some good points and some points that were ignored. I thought I’d post this so you, too, can be confused as well, but in this case, a more well-informed confusion.

We know from the scriptures that the heads of the beasts are empires and the horns are specific kings. The wings are likely satellite nations. Some have noticed that Revelation is not chronological in that

(a) a description of an historical event is described: Israel gives birth to Messiah, who is taken up to heaven despite the dragon’s effort to destroy the woman, Israel, and the Messiah, Jesus, with a flood, which is reminiscent of Daniel’s prophecy of the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple with a flood.

(b) Many of the 21 judgments sound repetitive and might be different viewpoints of the same events.

(c) Genesis also “zooms in” on occasion, specifically creation of humans, which has often been dismissed as competing creation stories.

A Mish-Mash of Mascots In Daniel, why would Medo-Persia be characterized both as a ram with two horns and a bear raised up on one side? The bear is a traditional mascot of Russia. Why would Greece be characterized both as a unicorn with one horn (later four horns) and a leopard with four heads? Medo-Persia has never been associated with a bear, nor has Greece been associated with the leopard, but rather the dolphin. Egypt has been associated with a leopard. Babylon and Britain have been associated with the lion as a mascot.

Horns and Kings

“The ten horns which you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but they receive authority as kings with the beast for one hour.” - Revelation 17:12 NASB

Only one of the heads of the monster had horns—ten of them—followed by a little horn that displaced three, which leaves eight horns.

Do we have kings without kingdoms today? What’s a king without a kingdom, anyway?

How about something like the Wagner Group? It’s a Russian-supported shadowy trans-national network of companies with a significant military component. It’s registered in Argentina and is operating in at least 11 countries.

Or how about wealthy oligarchs?

The wealthiest man of 2023 according to Forbes is Bernard Arnault, who oversees the LVMH empire of 75 fashion and cosmetics brands, including Louis Vuitton and Sephora. He has a net worth of $211 billion US, which is more than the IMF 2024 forecast GDP of any one of 74% of the countries of the world—more than Hungary ($204 B US). Elon Musk is worth $180 billion US, more than Ukraine ($173 billion US), and Jeff Bezos is worth $114 billion US, more than Kenya ($113 billion US). And so on. The top ten wealthiest men in the world are worth about $1.2 trillion US, which is more than the GDP of Turkey. Maybe they could get together and simply buy Turkey for a year and keep the increase. Or maybe just Iran, which is on sale for only $366 billion US. According to Forbes, the billionaires In the USA alone ($4.5 trillion US) could get together and buy Germany (only $4.43 trillion US) for a year. I’m kidding, of course. Sort of.

These ten (or eight) kings without a kingdom are present on only one of the heads of the beast rising from the sea. And one of the heads, we don’t know which one, according to revelation had a fatal wound, but it was healed. But which head?

Statuary Collapse The Roman Republic (509 BCE–27 BCE) was followed by the Roman Empire first led by Caesar Augustus.

In Daniel 2, Nebuchadnezzar’s dream of a statue with five (!) subdivisions consisting of gold (Babylon), silver (Medo-Persia), bronze (Greek), iron (Roman Republic), iron mixed with clay (Roman Empire?) was hit by a stone that “was broken off without hands, and it struck the statue on its feet of iron and clay, and crushed them.” This stone “became a great mountain and filled the entire earth.”

This is the first coming of the Messiah, Jesus.

Many authors speculate that this final, podalic empire comprising iron and mud is a “revived” Roman Empire with perhaps ten new leaders. And maybe it grew another, eleventh, toe that pushed out three toes. But there’s no reason why the division between the legs and the feet couldn’t be chronologically continuous, connecting the Roman Republic with the Roman Empire that followed.

Beastly Bullying Note that the beasts coming up out of the sea (of peoples, perhaps Mediterranean) in Daniel 7 appear sequentially, but appear to remain in existence with each other:

Daniel said, “I was looking in my vision by night, and behold, the four winds of heaven were stirring up the great sea. And four great beasts were coming up from the sea, different from one another. – Daniel 7:2,3 NASB

After this I kept looking in the night visions, and behold, a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and extremely strong; and it had large iron teeth. It devoured and crushed, and trampled down the remainder [“the rest” in the LXX] with its feet; and it was different from all the beasts that were before it, and it had ten horns. – Daniel 7:7 NASB

Speculatively, these could be an Anglo-American empire (colonialism), the Soviet/Russian empire (communism and crony capitalism), a Middle Eastern empire of four nations and four satellites (Islamic caliphate), and a fourth empire (global corporate conglomerate?). They all exist at the time of the end and are described in Revelation.

However, in Revelation 13:1-4 ESV, we read about a fusion of animals, but with seven heads and ten horns—like a combination of the four beasts in Daniel 7 into one, mimicking the great red dragon, satan:

And I saw a beast rising out of the sea, with ten horns and seven heads, with ten diadems on its horns and blasphemous names on its heads. And the beast that I saw was like a leopard; its feet were like a bear's, and its mouth was like a lion's mouth. And to it the dragon gave his power and his throne and great authority. One of its heads seemed to have a mortal wound, but its mortal wound was healed, and the whole earth marveled as they followed the beast. And they worshiped the dragon, for he had given his authority to the beast, and they worshiped the beast, saying, “Who is like the beast, and who can fight against it?”

In the ESV, it was “I” who stood on the seashore, but in the NASB, it’s assumed that it was the dragon. In the Greek, it seems to favor "I" (John).

The monster with ten horns in Daniel tramples the other beasts, but here they are fused together. Also, the dragon gives this new, hybrid beast his power and authority.

Speculation 1: Greece is the leopard body Medo-Persia is the bear’s feet, Babylon is the lion’s mouth.

Speculation 2: An Islamic Caliphate is the leopard body, Islamic southern Russia is the bear’s feet, and Islamic Britain is the lion’s mouth. The seven heads are seven nations working together.

As indicated in Daniel, the eagle’s wings are now absent, but there are possibly two other references to an eagle in Revelation:

Then I looked, and I heard an eagle flying in midheaven, saying with a loud voice, “Woe, woe, woe to those who live on the earth, because of the remaining blasts of the trumpet of the three angels who are about to sound!” - Revelation 8:13 NASB

But the two wings of the great eagle were given to the woman, so that she could fly into the wilderness to her place, where she was nourished for a time, times, and half a time, away from the presence of the serpent. - Revelation 12:14 NASB

Could the “great eagle” be the USA in the end times? Note that the primary combatants of the Ezekiel 38 invasion of Israel consist primarily of Turkey, Iran, and Southern Russia. It specifically does not include Saudi Arabia, Yemen, and the ships of Tarshish, which was specifically Cardiz, Spain, but was often meant to include all remote sea traffic:

“The ships of Tarshish were the carriers for your merchandise . . .”

• Ezekiel 27:25a NASB

And the nations adjacent to Israel, Egypt and Jordan, are also not mentioned, neither are what are now Lebanon, Syria, and Iraq.

Hope this was informative without being rigidly committed. We'll probably all turn out to be wrong in the end. But I expect we'll make adjustments as developments unfold.

Answer 7

Yes. There are other parallels. Daniel 2, and 7 are both the same series of events told a bit differently, and the last kingdom of both is also Revelation 13. In both Rev 13, and those last kingdoms there is someone with great power, he makes war against the holy people/saints, he mocks God in heaven, there is mention of 3.5 years. The stone that crushes the kingdom is Jesus in Rev 14 returning, and killing people, and probably also in Rev 19 returning, and killing people. The mountain that fills the whole world is the new Jerusalem coming down to new heaven, and new earth in Rev 21/22. In Dan 2 it says the court sits, and the books are opened which is the final judgement in Revelation 20. It also says the beast is thrown into the fire, and Revelation 19 says the same.

Revelation 1-12 happened 70 AD but Revelation 13-22 is still future. Revelation is in chronological order. Revelation 13:18 links back to king Solomon twice via the 666 gold he collected, and links back to him via wisdom, and understanding. 1 Kings 4:29-34 is a mini treatise on Solomons wisdom. There was 6 lions, 6 steps, and another 6 lions on his throne also. The author of Revelation is saying one of the beasts in Rev 13 is a lot like Solomon.

Now we turn to Moses Maimonides repetition of the torah (talmud), and specifically the chapter laws of kings, and their wars. According to Maimonides the messiah will build a temple, be Davids son, re establish the Davidic dynasty, and so rule from physical Jerusalem, and behead "Noahides" that break the Noahide laws like not being allowed to believe God can be a man... aka Jesus which is what Revelation says... everyone has to worship him or be beheaded. His symbol is the hexagram aka the star of Solomon. Jesus is the star of David in the bible (Rev 22 16), king Davids great descendent, the root, and the offspring of David etc but the messiah in Maimonides is the devils version of all that hence why the hexagram is called the star of David. Solomon was the star of David in the OT as he built the house of the lord, and sat on the David throne but it was properly fulfilled in Jesus. Rev 13= 1948 Israel, mark of beast = hexagram.

What does it mean when it says Rev 13 is like those ancient empires, babylon, persia greece? Does it mean by land coverage? Alexanders greece, and persia had greatest land coverage far more than babylon. Daniel says the last kingdom tramples down the entire earth. Earth at his time may have just meant the land of the world empire Babylon though so it could just means 1948 Israel covers as much land as ancient persia greece or maybe it means the beast person is like the people of those empires- Nebuchadnezzar, alexander, and whoever typifies persia but then what does that mean? And why the decreasing value of the material in the statue? it's not coins (although persia had the greatest silver horde in the ancient world which can be googled), and its not armor. I dont know the answer to those questions.

The second coming was for the rapture, and jesus told multiple disciples to their face he was coming back within their lifetime so that happened 70 AD so did man of sin, anti christ in john, all of math 24, and all spiritual israel was saved leading up to that (the 144 000 in rev 7- the remnant). Rev 14 = 3rd coming, rev 19= 4th coming, and presumably jesus is at the final judgement in rev 20 too = 5th coming.

Christians are the NT -Jews, Israel of God, Abrahams seed, and heirs to his blessing (romans 2 28 29, galatians 6 16, galatians 3 29). The land of canaan was actually promised to Jesus Galatians 3:16 but he didn't want it "my kingdom is not of this world", and gives his followers the spiritual heavenly mt zion the new jerusalem forever. The Revelation 2 9 3 9 peoples kingdom is of this world, and they will get their utopia, and their messiah.

Mystery babylon is physical jerusalem, and the Rev 2 9 3 9 people will rename it Babylon once it is world capital.

Here is some quotes about the messiah of the Rev 2 9 3 9 people from their own non Christian sources

The Jewish Utopia Michael Higger (free online)

The aim of this work is to present, in a comprehensive way, the traditional Jewish conception of the ideal life for individuals, as well as for nations. The problems taken up in the book are discussed, not from a theological viewpoint, but rather from that of the prophecies of the prophets as interpreted by the rabbis. The doctrines concerning God, Torah, Israel, Messiah, the future world and so forth, are, therefore, referred to, only where they are directly related to the subject of an ideal life in the ideal era to come. For my main problem is to reconstruct an ideal social life on earth as pictured by the rabbis of old.

To understand the rabbinic conception of an ideal world it will help us if we imagine a hand passing from land to land, from country to country, from the Persian Gulf to the Atlantic Ocean, and from the Indian Ocean to the North Pole, marking “ righteous ” or “ wicked ” on the forehead of each one of the sixteen hundred million inhabitants of our earthly globe. We should then be on the right road toward, solving the major problems that burden so heavily the shoulders of suffering humanity. For mankind should be divided into two, and only two, distinct and unmistakable groups, namely, righteous and wicked. To the righteous would belong all that which God’s wonderful world is offering ; to the wicked would belong nothing.In the future, the words of Isaiah, in the language of the rabbis, will be fulfilled: Behold, My servants shall eat, but ye shall be hungry ; behold, My servants shall drink, but ye shall be thirsty ; behold, My servants shall rejoice, but ye shall be ashamed.** This is the force of the prophecy of Malachi, when he said: Then shall ye again discern between the righteous and the wicked, between him that serveth God and him that serveth him not.

Rev 13 16 It also forced all people, great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads, 17 so that they could not buy or sell unless they had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of its name.

Maimonides laws of kings and their wars.(free online)

5 It has already been explained that Noachides are always executed by decapitation except in cases when one engages in relations with the wife of a Jew or a consecrated maiden. In the latter instance, he is stoned to death.

A Noachide who transgresses these seven commands shall be executed by decapitation.

A Noachide is executed on the basis of the testimony of one witness and the verdict of a single judge. No warning is required. Relatives may serve as witnesses. However, a woman may not serve as a witness or a judge for them.

Revelation 13 15 The second beast was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that the image could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed.

Rev 20 4 And I saw the souls of them that had been beheaded for the witness of Jesus and for the Word of God, and who had not worshiped the beast, nor his image, nor had received his mark upon their foreheads or on their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

Messianic prophecies to David partially fulfilled in Solomon then fully in Jesus

1 kings 8

19 Nevertheless, you are not the one to build the temple, but your son, your own flesh and blood—he is the one who will build the temple for my Name.

2 Samuel 7 “‘The Lord declares to you that the Lord himself will establish a house for you: 12 When your days are over and you rest with your ancestors, I will raise up your offspring to succeed you, your own flesh and blood, and I will establish his kingdom. 13 He is the one who will build a house for my Name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom forever.

Solomon built the first house of God ruled on Palestine from Jerusalem but didn't rule forever which Jesus does. The temple Jesus built is the new covenant church the temple of God, and he rules in the heavenly Jerusalem forever.

Maimonides messiah is the same as Solomon.

The hexagram symbol is called the star of David by the people that claim to be Jews but lie they are the synagogue of satan because it represents their messiah which is satans version of the biblical star of David Jesus (Revelation 22 16).

The explanation of Rev 2 9 3 9 is Romans 2 28 29. Only belief in Jesus makes someone a Jew, and heir to Abrahams blessing. No other way.

◄ Romans 9:8 ►

In other words, it is not the children by physical descent who are God’s children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham’s offspring.

Here the OT Israelites think they own Palestine:

Ezekiel 33:24 ► “Son of man, the people living in those ruins in the land of Israel are saying, ‘Abraham was only one man, yet he possessed the land. But we are many; surely the land has been given to us as our possession.’

God then explains he will kill them due to their sin. The people that say they are Jews but lie they are the synagogue of satan today say the same thing as those Israelites over 2500 years ago "God gave us Palestine, we are Abrahams seed". The SOS religion stars with cain that killed abel then whenever the israelites worship idols shed innocent blood and do other sins thats satans religion then the wicked israelites that killed zecheriah then the ones in maccabees that became greeks and tried to kill the righteous jews then the ot jews at jesus time that killed jesus. the traditions of the fathers started 135 bc per josephus and in the nt is called the traditions of the elders and that evolved into the talmud, maimonides, rashi, karo etc. jesus said it did not come from moses. if someone believes in moses they would believe in jesus... worshipping a brick wall in jerusalem was the mosaic definition of idolatry. god killed the OT israelites for things like that. christians descend from abel, righteous OT people like abraham moses david daniel etc - the ones that wrote the bible and stayed faithful to god / repented when they sinned

even though there are christians unequally yoked with the anti Jesus brick wall worshippers/pagans/idolaters/uncircumcised none of them will worship the country / messiah when it happens

revelation 13

. 8 All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast—all whose names have not been written in the Lamb’s book of life, the Lamb who was slain from the creation of the world.[b]

the word jewish and judaism appears zero times in the jps english tanakh based on the masoretic. the word judaism appears zero times in josephus and philo complete works. lol. both words come from greek which is why they are not in the jps bible. judaism appears zero times in the kjv but jewish appears once in the NT 1 titus 14 dont give heed to jewish fables and commandments of men that turn from the truth.... the claim god gave non christian people palestine is fable from people that turn from the truth. jew comes from a semitic word so that does appear in the OT 2 kings 16 6 is the first appearance about 730 bc. before that the term men of judah or people of judah is used. some bibles in 2 kings 16 6 have judean or judahite. notice on archaeological inscriptions like the hezekiah bullae or the sennecharib prism they say hezekiah the judean king or judahite king. the archaeologists are more careful when they translate that word to english but when it comes to the bible and books the word jew or jewish is used recklessly.

the 1000 year reign for christians killed in rev 13 is in heaven not on earth and it may just be 24 hour earth days because one day with the lord is as a 1000 years 2 peter 3 8

war of gog and magog in ezekiel happened in esther. there is a website on it. about half the prophecies in zech 14 can be found to have happened in 1/2 maccabees. it doesnt have the mt of olives splitting but that must of happened then too. it could of closed back up after like the red sea in exodus.

the lsv bible with apocrypha 120 books total is a good bible due to all the extra books and it does not contain the word gentile even once- it just has nations every time and someone can decide what it means or what religion it means based on the context.

Answer 8

I think so. The first three beasts in Daniel 7 we are told are kings. The 4th is a kingdom. They follow in succession. The 4th beast is destroyed and his BODY (not his head) is given to the burning flame.

1st beast like a lion 2nd like a bear 3rd like a leopard with 4 heads and 4th has 10 horns on its head

So you have total 7 heads and 10 horns and lion, bear, leopard

Beast of Rev 13 is like a lion, a bear, a leopard, has 7 heads and 10 horns. The body of the 4th beast is not represented here because the body was given to the burning flame. But the head with the ten horns is here on the beast of rev 13. This head is the one with the mortal wound that was healed, as referenced in rev 13:3, 12

It's my position that the horns are the ten tribes of Israel and that these beasts represent kings and kingdoms of Israel and Judah, United, divided, Northern kingdom, Southern kingdom, all kingdoms of Israel/Judah. The entire book is about these people, God's chosen people, who killed His son. Christ was betrayed by his own kingdom. We have in essence 4 books in the Bible dedicated solely to kings of Israel and Judah. The king of Persia was not an enemy to God nor His people and in fact was the one who released and aided the Jews to return and rebuild their temple.

The priests and Pharisees, etc., soiled the church, Christ's bride, as represented by the woman (Jerusalem) on the red beast (the dragon?) in Rev 17 and demonstrated when Christ overturned The tables in The Temple.

Answer 9

Revelation's Sea Beast is Daniel's 11th horn.

Introduction

There are several beasts in Revelation.

There are the Beast from the Abyss (Rev 11:7), the Sea Beast (Rev 13:1), the Land Beast (Rev 13:11), and the Scarlet Beast on which the Harlot sits (Rev 17:3). There is also an Image of the Beast (Rev 13:14), which is the real end-time persecutor of God's people (Rev 13:15). Since it is the image of the Sea Beast, it also is a beast.

Purpose

The ultimate goal is to identify the Mark of the Beast, that is, the mark that the followers of the Beast in the end-time will receive on their foreheads (Rev 13:16), as opposed to the Seal of God, which God’s people will have on their foreheads (Rev 14:1). The purpose of the current article is to identify the Beast to which this mark belongs, which is the Beast from the Sea (Rev 13:1).

Revelation 13:1-2

The Sea Beast had seven heads and ten horns:

13:1 And the dragon stood on the sand of the seashore. Then I (John) saw a beast coming up out of the sea, having ten horns and seven heads, and on his horns were ten diadems, and on his heads were blasphemous names.

It received its appearance and power from four other animals:

13:2 And the beast which I saw was like a leopard, and his feet were like those of a bear, and his mouth like the mouth of a lion. And the dragon gave him his power and his throne and great authority.

The Dragon stood on the seashore.

According to some older translations, such as the King James, it is John who stood on the sand of the sea in 13:1, but the earliest manuscripts of Revelation read “he,” which would refer to the Dragon mentioned in the previous verse (Rev 12:17). The context also show it is the Dragon:

• In Rev 12, the Dragon suffered a series of defeats. After the last defeat, it went away to prepare for the war with the remnant of God’s people (Rev 12:17).

• In Rev 13, the Dragon, the Sea Beast, and the Land Beast work together (e.g., Rev 13:4; 13:11-12). If it is the Dragon who stood on the sand of the seashore, then it tells us how the three came together. The Dragon goes to the seashore to secure reinforcements. It is first joined by the Sea Beast (Rev 13:1) and later by the Land Beast (Rev 13:11).

The Beast is the 11th Horn.

In the sections below, this article argues as follows that Revelation's Sea Beast and Daniel's 11th horn symbolize the same world power:

• Firstly, there are several strong allusions to Daniel 7 in the description of the Sea Beast, implying that it relates to the kingdoms in Daniel 7.

• Secondly, there are similarities between the Sea Beast and the 11th horn specifically that identify them as one and the same. For example, both are God’s main enemy on earth, persecuting God’s people for a time, times, and half a time, and both will only be destroyed when Christ returns.

• Thirdly, both the 11th horn and the Sea Beast are the main successor of the Roman Empire, continuing the authority of that empire.

Relates to Daniel 7

The Sea Beast relates to and is part of the series of kingdoms in Daniel 7. This is indicated by the strong allusions in the description of the Sea Beast to the animals of Daniel 7:

• Both the Sea Beast and the animals in Daniel 7 come up out of the sea (Dan 7:3).

• The Sea Beast is described as receiving from four animals (Rev 13:2) and there are also four animals in Daniel 7.

• Three of the animals from which the Sea Beast receives (a lion, a bear, and a leopard) (Rev 13:2) are explicitly the first three animals in Daniel 7 (Dan 7:4-6).

• The fourth animal from which the Sea Beast receives is a Dragon (Rev 13:2). The fourth animal in Daniel 7 is not named, but its description fits a dragon (Dan 7:7).

• The Sea Beast has the same number of heads and horns as the four animals of Daniel 7 have in total, namely, 7 heads and 10 horns (Rev 13:1). (While the first three animals in Daniel 7 do not have horns, the fourth animal “had ten horns” (Dan 7:7). The Sea Beast also has 10 horns each. While the other three animals have one head each, Daniel’s third animal, the Leopard, has four (Dan 7:6). So, Daniel’s four animals have seven heads in total, equal to the seven heads of the Sea Beast.)

These allusions are perhaps the strongest allusions to the Old Testament one would find anywhere in the Book of Revelation. They are not a coincidence but imply that the Sea Beast is part of the series of kingdoms in Daniel 7. In other words, the Sea Beast explains those kingdoms in more detail.

God’s Main Enemy

• Both the 11th horn and the Sea Beast are God’s main enemies on Earth. [The 11th horn is the main character in Daniel 7. It grows and becomes larger than all the other horns (Dan 7:20, 24). It will become so important that a court will sit in heaven to judge between it and God’s people (Dan 7:26, 9-11, 14). In Revelation, in the end-time crisis, the Mark of the Beast, which is the identifying mark of the Sea Beast, is put on the foreheads of God’s enemies. This mark is the name of the Sea Beast or the number of his name (Rev 13:16-17).]

• Both the 11th horn and the Sea Beast are described as the Antichrist. Both blaspheme God (Dan 7:8, 11, 20; Rev 13:5-6) and overpower God’s people (Dan 7:21, 25; Rev 13:7).

• Both will exist until Christ returns (Dan 7:26-27; Rev 19:11, 20). In other words, both exist during the end-time crisis.

• Both persecute God’s people for “a time, times, and half a time” (Dan 7:25; Rev 13:5). The Sea Beast’s period is identified as 42 months (Rev 13:5), but that is the same as the “time, times, and half a time.”

Time, times, and half

Daniel and Revelation refer to:

• A time, times, and half a time (Dan 7:25; 12:7; Rev 12:14)
• 42 months (Rev 11:2, 13:5), and
• 1260 days (Rev 11:3; 12:6).

These refer to the same period.

• They are numerically equal. A time, times, and half a time = 3½ times or years = 42 months = 42 x 30 = 1260 days.
• They always are the period when God’s people are persecuted.
• Rev 12:6 and 14 describe the same wilderness period, for, in both, the woman flees into the wilderness where she has a place prepared for her, where she would be nourished for the same period. But, while the one verse describes this period as 1260 days, the other calls it “a time, times, and half a time.” ]

Succeeds the Roman Empire.

Both Daniel’s 11th Horn and Revelation’s Sea Beast succeed and continue the power and authority of the Roman Empire:

The 11th Horn - Using animals as symbols, Daniel 7 describes four successive 'worldwide' kingdoms. The fourth animal symbolizes the Roman Empire.  [Read more: Daniel 8 uses two animals as symbols for empires, explicitly identified as the Medo-Persian and Greek empires. Daniel 7 uses four animals but does not identify them. Another article identifies them by comparing them to the animals in Daniel 8. It concludes that the main character in Daniel 7 and 8, symbolized as an evil horn-king, grew out of the Roman Empire.]

From the fourth empire, 11 horns grew, symbolizing the kingdoms into which the Roman Empire fragmented. The 11th grew up last, uprooting three of the previous horns. It was the final and most important fragment of the Roman Empire; the continuation of Roman authority. It was small at first but grew in power and eventually dominated the other fragments (kingdoms). It is different from the others because it blasphemes God and persecutes His people, and it will only be destroyed when Christ returns.

The Sea Beast – The same applies to the Sea Beast in Revelation. The previous article identified the Dragon as the Roman Empire.

[Read more: To show that the Dragon is the Roman Empire, the previous article first shows that the seven-headed beasts of Revelation (including the Dragon) are elaborations of the series of animals in Daniel. For example, they have the same number of heads and horns as the animals in Daniel 7. It then notes that the Sea Beast receives from four animals, that three of them are explicitly three of the animals in Daniel 7, and that the description of the fourth animal in Daniel 7 fits a dragon. Therefore, since another previous article already identified Daniel's fourth animal as the Roman Empire, the Dragon symbolizes the Roman Empire.]

The Sea Beast receives its power and authority from the Dragon (Rev 13:2). Therefore, like the 11th horn, it is the main successor of the Roman Empire, the unique continuation of the power and authority of the Roman Empire.

Since the Sea Beast is the 11th horn, it began to exist after the Roman Empire fragmented. Rev 13:1-2, describing the Sea Beast coming up out of the sea, was the beginning of its existence.

Conclusions

John described the horns first.

Perhaps the horns were the first to become visible as the Beast rose out of the water, or perhaps John described the horns first because they were the last part of the animals of Daniel 7.

• John first describes the horns and heads and then the beast’s body. Perhaps, as the beast rose from the sea, John first saw the horns, then the heads, and then the body.

• Alternatively, John might have been looking at these things from a vantage point in the future and saw past events in the reversed chronological sequence. In Daniel 7, the horns were the last to come into existence. Therefore, John saw them first. An indication that this might be the explanation is that John also mentions the first three animals (leopard, bear, lion) in reverse order, compared to their sequence in Daniel 7.

This site proposes that all of Revelation's visions are given from the perspective of a certain point in history. What that point is, is important, for example, in the description of the 5 heads that were, 1 that is, and 1 that will come (Rev 17:10).

Crowns on its Horns

While the Dragon has diadems (ruler crowns) on its heads (Rev 12:3), the Sea Beast has diadems on its horns (Rev 13:1). The allusions to Daniel 7, listed above, require us to interpret these crowns in terms of Daniel 7:

• Daniel 7 has four animals symbolizing four successive empires.

• Each has one head, except for the third, which has four heads, symbolizing the four concurrent divisions of the Greek Empire. The heads, therefore, exist during the time of the four empires. Consequently, the crowns on the heads of the Dragon indicate that it ruled during the time of the four empires.

• While none of the other animals have horns, the fourth animal has 10, and later 11, symbolizing the fragments into which the Roman Empire divided. That the Sea Beast has diadems on its horns indicates that it rules during the time of the horns. In other words, it ruled AFTER the fourth empire had fragmented.

A Human Organization

The Beast comes out of the Sea (Rev 13:1). The sea is equivalent to "the earth" (Dan 7:2, 17), symbolizing the people of the world. In other words, both the animals in Daniel and the Beast in Revelation are organizations of the people of the world.

A Christian Organization.

The term stephanoi (victory crowns of the Olympics) is often used in Revelation to symbolize victory over sin, for example, "the crown (stephanos) of life" (Rev 2:10). But the Sea Beast has "diadems" on its horns. This is an untranslated Greek word, meaning crowns of rulers. In other words, the Sea Beast rules over people.

The Beast received its “power ... throne and great authority” from the Dragon (Rev 13:2). A throne symbolizes authority to rule. Since the Beast received its throne from the Dragon (Rev 13:2), it received its authority from the Roman Empire. But it was not military authority. Another article identifies the Beast's throne as Christian Religious Authority. In other words, the Beast is Christian in name:

The Power opposing God's people claim to be Christian. For example:

• While Revelation presents God's people as a pure woman, it symbolizes the persecuting power as a harlot woman (Babylon). The Old Testament often describes unfaithful Israel as a harlot.

• The Land Beast exercises all the authority of the Sea Beast in his presence (Rev 13:12). It is, therefore, the Beast’s agent, but it has two horns like a lamb (Rev 13:11). All other instances of the term ‘lamb’ in Revelation refer to Jesus (e.g., Rev 5:6). Furthermore, it is called the "false prophet" (Rev 16:13).

• In Revelation, in the seven letters (Rev 1 to 3), the enemy is always inside the church.

This article identifies the Beast as a Christian organization that came into existence when the Roman Empire fragmented, also symbolized as the 11th horn in Daniel 7. That 11th horn has already been identified more specifically here.