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Jeremiah 17:10, "I, the Lord, search the heart, I test the mind, Even to give to each man according to his ways, According to the results of his deeds."

In John's Book of Revelation, Jesus identifies Himself as many things ("Alpha and Omega," "the Almighty", "the Word of God" etc.) But among these self-identifications stated by Jesus we find this at Revelation 2:23.

"And I will kill her children with pestilence; and all the churches will know that I am He who searches the minds and hearts, and I will give to each one of you according to your deeds."

If John was familiar with ANY of the Old Testament texts listed above, do you suppose that in writing this passage where Jesus identifies Himself as the one who searches the hearts of men and rewards them according to this judgment that John might have had reason to think that Jesus is the SAME ONE as the one who so identifies Himself throughout the Old Testament/that is God? How do those who deny the deity of Jesus Christ reconcile this "apparent" contradiction?

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  • "I will kill her children with pestilence; and all the churches will know that I am He who …" — In Revelation, women are symbols of churches. Jezebel can represent a church (or its leadership), and her children can represent the members of that church. Commented Aug 20 at 23:13
  • @Mr. Bond. It is not true that Jesus identified himself as" the Almighty" Please provide a verse that shows Jesus identified himself as "the Almighty". Commented Aug 21 at 0:49
  • @AlexBalilo Sure, just read what Jesus says at Revelation 1:8. Now, I have a question for you? Why don't you show me your "exegesis/interpretation of Revelation 1:8 in a way that demonstrates how you can deny the obvious of what it says?
    – Mr. Bond
    Commented Aug 21 at 0:59
  • @Mr.Bond. Jesus' God is the one referred to the Almighty in Revelation 1:8.The almighty is only used of God in scripture (2 Cor. 6:18; Rev. 4:8; 15:3; 16:7; 19:15; 21:22). Jesus was never referred to as the Almighty. Commented Aug 21 at 1:16
  • (-1) this feels very "Stump the Chumps" - you don't really seem to be asking a question about the text, you're asking other people to justify their own theological stance.
    – Steve can help
    Commented Aug 21 at 16:17

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The example that the OP quotes is one of many examples in the book of Revelation.

Title OT Reference Revelation Reference
YHWH is "Searcher of Hearts and Minds" Jer 11:20, 17:10, 1 Sam 16:7 Rev 2:23
YHWH is "First and Last" Isa 41:4, 44:6, 48:12 Rev 1:17, 18, 2:8, 22:13
YHWH is "Lord of Lords" Deut 10:17, Ps 136:3, 26 Rev 17:14, 19:16
YHWH has "Seven eyes of the LORD" Zech 4:10 Rev 5:6
YHWH is "the One they have pierced" Zech 12:10 Rev 1:7

For a longer list of such titles. see David said "the LORD is my shepherd", yet Jesus said "I am the good shepherd" - was Jesus David's shepherd?

This is one of the many evidences that the NT clearly teaches that Jesus is the YHWH/Jehovah/LORD of the OT.

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  • +1 Dottard If Jesus is not God, how can He get away with saying in the very first sentence. "And I will kill her children with pestilence; and all the churches will know I search the minds and hearts etc.'
    – Mr. Bond
    Commented Aug 20 at 22:55
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Is Jesus the same one who identifies Himself throughout the Old Testament/ that is God?

Jeremiah 17:10 Aramaic Bible in Plain English

I, LORD JEHOVAH, examine the heart and prove the kidneys, and give to a man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his deeds

Revelation 2:23 Aramaic Bible in Plain English

And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he that searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto each one of you according to your works

Notice that in Revelation 2:23 Jesus did not claim to be Lord Jehovah. No, Jesus is not the same one who identifies Himself throughout the Old Testament/that is God. Jesus was begotten by the Father. The God of the bible has no Father. He is the Father.

A person's agent is regarded as the person himself as shown from Agency ("Shelichut") - Meaning in Mitzvot - OU Torah. https://outorah.org/p/7187/. The judges of Israel, because their work has to do with God's purpose and justice, were recognized with that authority and were given the title of (elohim) gods, Exodus 2028.

Jesus will judge mankind because he is the one appointed to judge by his God. Acts 17:31 "inasmuch as he hath appointed a day in which he will judge the world in righteousness by the man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead."

It was God who raised Jesus from the dead and also appointed him to judge the world, Thus, the ultimate Judge is God who judges through Jesus. Romans 2:16

Jesus was given names and titles that represent the attributes of God. To imply that Jesus is God, is incorrect as he clearly is representing God. A representative is not the person he is representing. If Jesus is God based on the inference that names and titles of God were applied to him. Using the same reason, it would be absurd to say Jerusalem is the God of Peace because of the name given to it.

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  • I want to focus on, "A person's agent is regarded as the person himself as shown from Agency ("Shelichut")" You quoted one of the world's best-known lecturers and educators in the area of business and ethics. I read almost every page of his article and all of it relates to laws of mamonot, commercial law. He does talk about religious issues but only in reference to animal sacrifices. My point being that the angel of the Lord (If you believe he's an actual angel) in Genesis 22;15-17 CANNOT swear an oath on behalf of the Lord God Himself. Continued-
    – Mr. Bond
    Commented Aug 21 at 20:19
  • Cont. However, I believe the angel of the Lord is the pre-incarnate Jesus Christ who is the second person of the Trinity can swear an oath on behalf of God because He is God. The Jewish Virtual Library states that a "shaliach/agent appointed to carry out a specific mandate is disqualified from acting as a witness in a case involving such mandate. In other words, in the full sense of the term "as himself," is disqualified from being a witness. Remember Rabbi Dr. Asher Meir who wrote the article is an expert in business and "ETHICS." It would not be ethical for an actual angel to swear the oath
    – Mr. Bond
    Commented Aug 21 at 20:33
  • @Mr.Bond. Please post your question about the angel of the Lord and I will try to answer it. Commented Aug 21 at 20:42

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