Timeline for Are the souls of Revelation 6:9-11 awake and, yet, still awaiting the resurrection?
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| Sep 22, 2022 at 10:17 | answer | added | Andries | timeline score: 0 | |
| Sep 15, 2022 at 2:44 | comment | added | Andries | @user36337 I like your idea that death is a wormhole to the dawn of eternity and “measuring” the temple means pondering the spiritual truths. Do you have articles where you explain these concepts further? | |
| S Jan 11, 2022 at 9:19 | history | bounty ended | Bagpipes | ||
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| Jan 11, 2022 at 1:35 | comment | added | Rajesh | @AshleyRoberts Hmm, excellent thoughts. If you want, you can read my answer and give any feedback that you might have. :) | |
| Jan 11, 2022 at 1:14 | comment | added | user36337 | @Dottard & SRI, I have a hunch (must confirm) that ALL symbolic visions in Rev are explained to a certain extent. New Jerusalem is most certainly symbolic: it is the bride of Christ (“Come, I will show you the bride of Christ”). It’s opposing chiasm (ch 10) is the measuring of the inner temple. Ancient structures reflected spiritual and cosmological truths within their dimensions: “measuring” the temple means pondering the spiritual truths of its dimensions. The holy of holies is a cube, as is the new Jerusalem, which also looks strikingly like a priestly breastplate. | |
| Jan 11, 2022 at 1:04 | comment | added | user36337 | Regarding soul state after death, agree that heavenly throne room is highly symbolic. Lessons (theology) emerge(s) from the comparison of symbols with existing ideas and from juxtaposing of symbols, comparing to formal structure etc. So the lion is ALSO the lamb, God on throne is worshipped but so is the Lamb, using the same liturgy. Regarding death, we live in time now, but at death we are ‘wormholed’ through to the dawn of eternity. A thousand years may pass…but it’s a mere moment: in “the twinkling of an eye we’ll be transformed”. We all land up ‘in’ eternity ‘at’ the same ‘time’. | |
| Jan 11, 2022 at 0:39 | answer | added | Rajesh | timeline score: 1 | |
| Jan 10, 2022 at 10:45 | answer | added | Ozzie Ozzie | timeline score: -1 | |
| Jan 8, 2022 at 18:13 | answer | added | Anne | timeline score: 3 | |
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| Jan 5, 2022 at 22:18 | answer | added | Dottard | timeline score: 2 | |
| Jan 5, 2022 at 17:53 | comment | added | Rajesh | @Dottard "this question by itself cannot be answered without addressing the more fundamental question about soul sleep vs eternal soul" Exactly. | |
| Jan 5, 2022 at 6:29 | comment | added | user36337 | Let us continue this discussion in chat. | |
| Jan 5, 2022 at 2:27 | comment | added | Dottard | @AshleyRoberts - I fully agree that the letters to the seven churches were real churches that were "peppered with symbolism". Good term! However, the remainder of revelation is pure apocalyptic genre (like Daniel) meaning that almost everything is symbolic. This would include the throne room scene where we have living creatures ("beasts literally") as the throne attendant, Jesus as a wounded lamb, seven torches/fires, 30 elders who are not described, a scroll written on both sides, etc. There is not much literalism in here. The entire prophecy is prefaced by, "caught up in the spirit". | |
| Jan 4, 2022 at 23:53 | comment | added | user36337 | @Dottard, how would you feel about using the terms realism: pretty much interpreted literally, but peppered with symbolism (e.g. the letters to the churches); mythic realism: depictions of real things (God, Jesus, plagues), but ‘souped up’ through symbolism and needing a moderate level of ‘decoding’ (e.g. the heavenly throne room in question; the plagues of the sealed scroll), and symbolism: highly symbolic depictions of people and concepts, using non-existent symbols like dragons, beasts, women in the sky etc. and needing a high level of decoding (e.g. said dragons, beasts, etc.)? | |
| Jan 4, 2022 at 21:39 | comment | added | Dottard | Put another way, this question by itself cannot be answered without addressing the more fundamental question about soul sleep vs eternal soul. | |
| Jan 4, 2022 at 21:38 | comment | added | Dottard | The answer to this question (which cannot be resolved by the text of Rev 6 alone) is heavily influenced by one's attitude/belief about the state of the dead, whether (a) the soul is eternal and suffers eternal punishment of wicked and goes to heaven at death if righteous, or (b) the soul is the person and the person is thus unconscious in death and is only resurrected at Jesus' return. Every person will make one of these types of assumptions in answering. All I will say here is that Revelation uses highly symbolic language and should not be pressed literally. | |
| Jan 4, 2022 at 18:30 | answer | added | Levan Gigineishvili | timeline score: 1 | |
| S Jan 4, 2022 at 11:33 | history | bounty started | Bagpipes | ||
| S Jan 4, 2022 at 11:33 | history | notice added | Bagpipes | Authoritative reference needed | |
| Apr 22, 2021 at 7:00 | answer | added | Xeno | timeline score: 1 | |
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| Apr 21, 2021 at 4:10 | comment | added | user38524 | @HoldToTheRod - no worries, nobody is born knowing everything ;) | |
| Apr 21, 2021 at 3:55 | comment | added | Hold To The Rod | BTW, sorry for all the tag edits...I was trying to do a tag synonym and clearly didn't get it right the first time =) | |
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| Mar 27, 2021 at 21:44 | comment | added | user35803 | @SpiritRealmInvestigator, its quite clear everywhere in the Bible that the dead are simply people whose body died, (stopped and decomposed), they left it and are in conscious and alive in a spiritual body somewhere else. It's just that these people twist so much of it to try to look like it is what they want it to be. I've asked a question that also helps in your investigation. The words "betzat nefesha", "to come out" and "soul (fem.)" are in Genesis 35:18. hermeneutics.stackexchange.com/q/47404/35803 | |
| Mar 11, 2021 at 17:58 | comment | added | Sola Gratia | @user48152 Jesus is not being distinguished from 'the word of God' in Revelation, "witness of the word of God and the witness of Jesus Christ" is not using "the word of God" as John 1:1 does, of a person, 'Jesus, who, being in the form of God, took the form of a man,' but of the doctrine of God in general. In Revelation it identifes Jesus, the one in the bloodied robe and having "King of Kings and Lord of Lords" written on His thigh as, "the Word of God" explicitly. | |
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| Mar 7, 2021 at 22:00 | answer | added | Hold To The Rod | timeline score: 3 | |
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| Mar 7, 2021 at 11:40 | comment | added | Bagpipes | Very well observed Spirit Realm Investigator. Good question. | |
| Mar 7, 2021 at 11:31 | answer | added | Bagpipes | timeline score: 3 | |
| Mar 7, 2021 at 5:10 | comment | added | Dottard | That incident was not part of a vision about the future and is clearly literal, no question. The entire book, by it own admission is symbolic - the moment you make something in Revelation literal you then need to ask where does the symbolic stop and the literal begin or is that something that only I should decide or perhaps you or someone else? | |
| Mar 7, 2021 at 4:52 | comment | added | user38524 | @Dottard - crossing the red sea also violates our current (and limited) understanding of physics. Should we conclude that the crossing of the red sea is symbolic too? | |
| Mar 7, 2021 at 4:48 | comment | added | Dottard | Rev 1:1 - And He signified it through having sent His angel to His servant, John, The book and the seven visions are written in signs and symbols readily explained elsewhere. | |
| Mar 7, 2021 at 4:46 | comment | added | Dottard | OK - lets look at the evidence - New Jerusalem is 12000 furlongs per side and 12000 furlongs high sitting on 12 precious stones with only 12 gates and 144 cubit think walls that are transparent with ... much else - a city of this size would reach past the atmosphere into outer space and unbalance the rotation of the earth and the orbit of the moon. It is highly symbolic. | |
| Mar 7, 2021 at 4:43 | comment | added | user38524 | @Dottard - sure those parts you refer to are very likely symbolic, but what about the description of the New Jerusalem in chapter 21, is that all symbolic too? | |
| Mar 7, 2021 at 4:41 | comment | added | Dottard | I do not have it all worked out but it is obvious that these scenes are not literal, that's all. | |
| Mar 7, 2021 at 4:40 | comment | added | Dottard | It is quote obvious - the opening verses say that the book of revelation is in signs and symbols - a lamb here is Christ, we have goulish monsters with multi heads and talking frogs, women riding dragons, a woman standing on the moon and a red dragon threatening to kill her - it is all highly symbolic!! | |
| Mar 7, 2021 at 4:38 | comment | added | user38524 | @Dottard - how do you get to decide which parts of Revelation are cartoons and which parts aren't? | |
| Mar 7, 2021 at 4:36 | comment | added | Dottard | It is a vision - it is not real!! It is a cartoon or caricature/parable of truth. It cannot and should not be taken any more literally than the description of Jesus as a bleeding lamb in Rev 5. Even here in Rev 6 we have the lamb!! opening the seal - it is not literal. | |
| Mar 7, 2021 at 4:30 | comment | added | Steve | Well, it's a vision given to John by the angel of Jesus from Jesus from God. Rev 1:1 ---Notice v2 who testified to the word of God AND to the testimony of Jesus Christ. Interesting that the logos and Jesus are separated. | |
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