Timeline for Is Revelation 3:14 saying that Christ was created by God?
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| Aug 26, 2022 at 6:13 | comment | added | Levan Gigineishvili | @steveowen Why do not you answer the concrete questions: I told you that in the very first century, before even the canon of the NT was formed, exactly those mainstream Christians who were instrumental in forming the NT canon believed in identity of Logos and Jesus, read St Ignatius, St Polycarp, Letter of Barnabas, Didache etc. all texts of first-second centuries. You will not find any semblance of your fantastic doctrine in the Early Church, and even heretics held the identity of Logos and Jesus. Give evidence of the oposite, plz.! Why such a penchant to trample and rape objectivity? | |
| Aug 26, 2022 at 5:59 | comment | added | Steve | @LevanGigineishvili I just deal with the facts. You rather deal with fancy, imagined and inferred concepts not Biblical but Creedal. If the Creeds were Biblical, they would be redundant. You can justify and obfuscate as you wish but the matters mentioned, incarnation', 'eternal son', 'co-equal', 'dual natures', immortal soul, eternal torment are not from God but your dear and over-esteemed friends seeking to replace what the Apostles and Jesus himself laid out. Nice to chat! | |
| Aug 26, 2022 at 5:19 | comment | added | Levan Gigineishvili | @steveowen Not only grammatically and textually, but also historically your attack on the sound doctrine is unsupportable: when exactly the glorious Church went awry? St Ignatius and majority of the universal church held the identity of the Logos and Jesus Christ for decades, and Ignatius was old when thrown to lions; thus as early as the late first century vast majority of the world Christianity held this doctrine. Your purported doctrine is nowhere even recorded but is a product of fancy. Even heretic Docetists mentioned by John in his epistle held the identity of Logos and Jesus. | |
| Aug 26, 2022 at 4:27 | comment | added | Steve | Have you read the Gospels? They say nothing of the Jesus you and your peers imagine. God is gracious - His willingness to overlook matters of deception, for there are many, but only one source which He has placed at the forefront of man's creation. He looks on the heart, but holds those who purposefully speak and teach untruth with due judgement. There are many good and noble saints to be sure within every church that honors the Christ and his God - that they go to their grave believing wrong is a minor matter to God for they are entrusted to the leaders, whether unwitting or not is for God. | |
| Aug 26, 2022 at 4:15 | comment | added | Levan Gigineishvili | @steveowen St Ignatius of Antioch received the martyr’s death in the year 108, during time of the emperor Trajan. He was considered not as corrupt but as a hero of faith universally, even during his life, by churches of Rome, Ephesus, Smyrna etc. his authentic epistles to those churches are extant. How could he and his doctrine be against the Redeemer, Christ, when exactly the Latter fortified him to undergo torture and being chewed in lions’ mouths for defence of Christian faith? Have you read his really glorious epistles? By tradition, he was that kid embraced by the Lord (Mark 9:36). Read! | |
| Aug 26, 2022 at 4:00 | comment | added | Steve | @LevanGigineishvili You don't ponder the glorious and perfect Garden and its virtually immediate corruption and not wonder if the glorious new church with its wonderful beginning isn't subject to the same corruption? Not by days or weeks, but 2-300 years in this case. Fear not, the Redeemer is near to restore all things including truth about himself and his God. You cannot say you weren't told. | |
| Aug 26, 2022 at 3:36 | comment | added | Levan Gigineishvili | @steveowen So, vast majority, thousands and thousands of acute-minded pro-theologians, many of them of saintly life and many even martyrs of faith like St Maximus Confessor or St Ignatius of Antioch devored by lions at Colloseum, and billions and billions of plain Christians of different denominations throughout 2000 years of Christianity are wrong and you only hold a glorious truth? Can presumptuousness go any further? Btw: which Church do you belong to? What is its doctrine (for nobody can in principle be a Christian without belonging to a church/congregation)? | |
| Aug 26, 2022 at 1:06 | comment | added | Steve | @LevanGigineishvili Sadly everything after the first line is fabricated and has zero biblical support. The Denominations you mention are so reliant on fabricated 'truth' they cannot tell the difference anymore having marginalized the bible for the precious Creeds long ago. 'incarnation', 'eternal son', 'co-equal', 'dual natures', immortal soul, eternal torment, etc. - it's a long list of heretical ideas not of God or His word. | |
| Aug 25, 2022 at 6:27 | comment | added | Levan Gigineishvili | @steveowen Prologue of the Gospel of John with a 100% clarity says that the same Subject of Logos, who was (ην) with Father, that is to say, was co-eternal and co-infinite with the Latter, came to "His ones, and they could not comprehend Him", and He whom they could not comprehend and who substituted Grace for the law, which came from Moses, was Jesus Christ. Incarnation of Logos cannot be expressed any clearer and all mainstream Christian denominations Catholic, Orthodox, Protestant and even heretics like Monophysites affirm that. Why to rise dust? Why to torture Scripture? Have mercy on It! | |
| Aug 13, 2022 at 12:32 | history | notice added | curiousdannii♦ | Needs detailed answers | |
| Jun 16, 2020 at 12:44 | comment | added | Steve | if it meant 'in the beginning was Jesus; - it would say so. It doesn't. It does not for a good reason - it would not be true. Unless of course you say it's true, then that's ok then. We can't just make stuff up and read what we think it SHOULD say. | |
| Mar 16, 2019 at 15:55 | review | Late answers | |||
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| Mar 16, 2019 at 15:40 | review | First posts | |||
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| Mar 16, 2019 at 15:39 | history | answered | Ben Hartford | CC BY-SA 4.0 |