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Genesis 2:17 New International Version

but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die."

Literal Standard Version

but from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, you do not eat from it, for in the day of your eating from it—dying you die [מֹ֥ות תָּמֽוּת׃].”

What kind of death is this?

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    Might be worth noting the first death in the Bible isn't Adam or Eve's - it's Abel's. It was also not just natural death, but a murder. Commented Jan 27, 2021 at 19:43

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I believe Saro is correct, but want to provide some additional comments. A lot of the answers are launching into a theological interpretation of Adam's death, which is fine, but I'd like to just focus on understanding the text of these passages by providing some background material, so we can understand better what these passages are saying, regardless of our overall theology taken from many different passages.

Linguistic considerations

In Hebrew the doubling is used for emphasis. So when you see something like "gold gold", you might translate this as "pure gold" or "fine gold" to emphasize how extremely goldy it is. Of course translators then struggle in translating this idiom, which is why in translating "die die" you see "surely die", "certainly", "in dying you shall die" (which I believe is a poor translation as it elaborates a bit too much).

This doubling occurs over a hundred times in the old testament, and when it does most often translators try to understand what is being emphasized and then express that, as in the following:

  • Gen 14.10: Now the Valley of Siddim [tar tar] pits. translated as "was full of tar pits"

  • Gen 18.10: And they piled them in [heaps heaps], and the land stank. translated as "countless heaps"

  • Numbers 14.7: “The land that we went through to explore is [very very] good. translated as "exceptionally good"

  • Eccl 7.24: Whatever is—it is far [deep deep]. Who can discover it? translated as "beyond comprehension"

  • 2 Chron 31.6 And they gave [heaps heaps]. translated as "heaps upon heaps"

At other times, the doubling is included verbatim as the english doubling also conveys an emphasis.

  • Joel 4.14 Commotion, commotion in the valley of decision! For the day of Yahweh is near in the valley of decision!

  • Prov 20.14 “Bad, bad,” the buyer will say, but when one goes to him, then he will boast.

  • Eccl. 1.2 Vanity of vanities!” says the Teacher, “Vanity of vanities! All is vanity!”

  • 2 Chron 23.13 And Athaliah tore her garments and cried, “Conspiracy! Conspiracy!”

Sometimes the doubling is translated as "every":

  • 2 Chron 13.11 They offer burnt offerings to Yahweh [morning morning] and [evening evening] translated as "every morning" and "every evening".

And finally sometimes the translators don't know what is being emphasized so they ignore the doubling:

Lam 1.16: For these things, I am weeping, my [eyes eyes] flow with tears translated as a single "eyes".

So I believe it is a mistake to read a certain special kind of death into these passages, but rather to point out that death was being emphasized in the passage. If they had the technology, then this could have been written in bold font, or underlined, and then modern texts could bold that word and it would be a faithful translation. That would then still leave open the theological implications, but those would need to be determined from other passages.

The Divine Attention

When looking at prophecy or statements of the divine (which both of the above are), I think it's helpful to keep in mind that these are handled differently than a modern reader would expect. We have a fairly flat, almost geometric view of God -- omniscient, omnipresent, etc. The cost of that is that if God knows everything, it's hard for us to imagine him knowing some things more than others. Our view of God is crippled by the infinities we ascribe to him. So we have developed a theology around that which doesn't give much room for the narrative descriptions of God in the Bible, for example God asking Adam where he is, or saying that he knows Abraham (wouldn't he know everyone?), etc. God as portrayed in the Bible is less passive. He looks at some things and hides his face from others. He knows some people and not others. He pays attention to some things but not others. He goes down to earth to see what the people at Babel are up to. Note that I am not making a christological or theological argument describing God's abilities, but describing how God is portrayed in the text, which is what we need to understand.

One such characteristic portrayal is of the divine view. As opposed to man, God sees the end of things, whereas man sees the process. So someone about to die can be described as dead. Someone about to live can be described as alive. People also have this idiom "dead man walking", "you're dead" (said to a live person). We use this idiom when there is no doubt in our mind as to the person's fate. But God sees ends much more clearly than we do, so these expressions can be used even if the death wont occur for a long time as recockend by man. In God's view, the moment the man's end shifted from life to death, that's the moment he became a dead man, and so the man died. And when a man repents, that is the moment his end shifted out of the realm of death, and so he lived.

I believe this is how to read these passages, regardless of the theological interpretations of the types of death or what those deaths signified. The passages are describing the shift from life to death and vice versa, and what creates those shifts. They are not elaborating on what that death means. For an understand of that, you need to look at other verses.

We also see this in the New Testament, where Jesus said Go away, because the girl is not dead, but sleeping. Matt 9.24 - when he was describing a woman that was dead but would be alive. The moment he decided or knew (the father decided) that she would be raised, that's the moment she was classified as being alive.

We also have Matt 22.32 “I am the God of Abraham and the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob”? He is not the God of the dead, but of the living!” Yet we know that these were dead, waiting to be raised after Christ was raised as the first-fruit. But that temporary death was not their end, the end of the patriarchs was life, and so God considered them alive.

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The Hebrew expression (MUT TMUT) in this passage does not focus itself about a ‘kind’ of death, at all.

In fact, this wording structure – really, a repetition of the same verb – points to a sureness of an action (or, of a condition), as I’ve explained in another answer (Why does the ESV use "surely" in Genesis 2:16 when all others say "freely"?).

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  • Solid answer +1
    – Robert
    Commented Feb 14, 2021 at 22:16
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Adam and Eve did not possess 'spiritual life' for they had not partaken of the tree of life. They possessed only biological life, the 'breath' of the atmosphere that covers the earth.

So the resulting death is the kind of death that ends in the grave.

The decision they took, cut them off (for ever) from the tree of life. They were banished from Eden 'lest they put forth a hand'. So they precipitated, by their action, the permanent cutting off of the future possibility (to man in Adam) of spiritual life.

Humanity had failed of its true purpose (and had failed to seek out - from the Creator - what that true purpose even was).

And they also, because sin was now in the world, ensured an eventual death in the grave, as dying nature and corrupting flesh (unsustained by providence responding to righteousness) led to an inevitable conclusion.

Bet yet, as the promise of God spoke to Eve, 'the mother of all living', of a seed yet to come of woman (but not stated to be of man) and as Adam believed that and responded to it by naming his wife, so there was hope.

Hope in a humanity yet to come (which should have been patiently waited for, before partaking of the tree of knowledge).

Hope in redemption, and a new birth : another humanity than that which had failed, the creature failing of its Creator.

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    "Adam and Eve did not possess 'spiritual life' for they had not partaken of the tree of life." How do you reconcile this with Adam walking with God? Do you take that phrase to mean literally going on a walk with God? Commented Jan 27, 2021 at 19:44
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    @AnthonyBurg It is Enoch who 'walked with God', not Adam. Adam did believe, as I refer to in my answer, after God's judging of him and after the promise.
    – Nigel J
    Commented Jan 27, 2021 at 21:00
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    ??? The story in Gen 3 is written in such a way that when God came to talk with Adam as He usually did, Adam was afraid (for the first time). Are you suggesting that Adam did not meet and walk with God before the fall?
    – Dottard
    Commented Jan 27, 2021 at 21:31
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    @AnthonyBurg The 'voice of God' 'walked' denotes the rest of God disturbed. And indicates further progression. 'My Father worketh hitherto and I work' is a new creation. The placing of the cherubim (a concept, not beings) at the eastern extremity (towards the rising of the sun) also indicates a future to be realised. But Adam and Eve hid from that presence. They covered up. 'The man was as of one us (YLT) but now . . . . ' he must be banished, lest he take. The first man fails, as was foreknown, as was inevitable for he is creature. The second man is the Lord from heaven, a Living Spirit.
    – Nigel J
    Commented Jan 27, 2021 at 21:31
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    @Dottard Adam did not 'meet' and 'walk with' God. God communicated very specific information to Adam about a certain tree. And Adam disobeyed that communication. The matter was one of righteousness. And Adam transgressed.
    – Nigel J
    Commented Jan 27, 2021 at 21:33
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When interpreting the Bible, there are times when you need to step back and broaden your viewpoint. And, this is one example. Focusing on, and merely analysing the ‘word’ “die” (muwth) will not provide the answer to your question - which is yes - in this case, the result of ‘eating’ was definitely (spiritual) death. And, it’s crucial to understand this.

Let’s look at why. Biblically, death means separation. Every single time. When you ‘die’ physically, you are separated from your physical body. When Adam ‘ate’, he [ was instantly] separated from God. That’s why ...

GEN 3:9 Then the Lord God called to Adam and said to him, “Where are you?”

Because ...

JOHN 4:24 God is Spirit,

So, when Adam ‘ate’, he ‘died’ [spiritually, was separated from God]. And, all born ‘through’ Adam [everybody] are born ‘dead’ - that is, born separated from God. And, it is only through Christ that we can get ‘Life’, that is, reunited with God.

Through the cross, man’s spirit gains ‘life’, is reunited. Reunited back with God, so that he once again is Father. So that we can now [once again] communicate with God ‘spiritually’ ...

JOHN 4:24 God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”

Now to briefly address another point - the tree of Life was for the physical body, physical immortality, not the spiritual. In Revelation 22:2, we see it associated with healing. In Genesis 2, most translations say Adam was a created a living soul. But (and here, a deeper look at the Hebraic word structure does illuminate!) arguably a ‘better’ rendering would be ‘Adam was created a speaking spirit’.

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  • Thanks for sharing. * Why can humans not also gain 'spiritual' life through faith in the YHWH the God of Israel & Tanakh? Commented Jan 27, 2021 at 19:33
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    @Church Questions Because our spirit needs to be ‘reborn’, ‘recreated’. Jesus told Nicodemus he needed to be born again. That’s why Paul said believers are a ‘new creation’. Man is ‘born’ of Adam, believers are [re] born ‘under’ Jesus. Because we are ‘man’, we needed another man to be that ‘source’. And, God is not [a] man. So, Jesus had to come as ‘a man’. (Really need more space to elaborate)
    – Dave
    Commented Jan 27, 2021 at 19:50
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    @Dave How does one know if one has been born again in the sense you are referring to here? Commented Jan 27, 2021 at 20:03
  • @Dave - No need to elaborate. You summarized the New Testament epistles very well to support your response. Thanks again for offering another perspective. Commented Jan 27, 2021 at 20:04
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    @Anthony Burg How do you ‘know’ you are saved ‘in this sense’- Because Gods Word will ‘tell’ you. You rest on that. And, you will ‘know’ know = a deep down perception, or in biblical terms, ‘know in your heart’ [spirit].
    – Dave
    Commented Jan 28, 2021 at 17:37

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