Timeline for Does Colossians 1:16 represent the creation of a sub-set of things within the universe?
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| Jul 25, 2022 at 6:06 | comment | added | Levan Gigineishvili | @AlexBalilo Mark 13:19, and? It says that God created the created order of beings, the universe. So what? But He could create this created order only through Logos, and thus the Later is uncreated and only God is uncreated, thus Logos is co-God with Father as John says and co-Builder with the universal Builder-Father as Paul says in Hebrews 3:3-5. | |
| Jul 24, 2022 at 22:26 | comment | added | Alex Balilo | @LevanGigineishvili. Jesus did not " fancy mythologically that Father created.... ' He unequivocally ascribed creation to his God, not himself. Mark 13:19. | |
| Jul 24, 2022 at 21:17 | comment | added | Alex Balilo | @Mr.Bond. The Creator in Isaiah 44 :24 that you quoted is Jehovah. Jesus is not Jehovah. The construction of theophoric names, starting with the letters “Jeho” is evidence that God’s name is actually ‘Jehovah’ (and that Christ’s name is actually Jehoshua)” – Smith’s 1863 “A Dictionary of the Bible”Section 2.1. Jesus plainly ascribe creation to his God in Mark 13.19. The beginning that Jesus said in Mark 13 :19 and Revelation 3:14 John 1.1-3 are the same beginning. He pointed to his God as the source of his life. John 6 :57. Jesus is not YHWH. YHWH is never called firstborn nor is He begotten | |
| Jul 24, 2022 at 18:17 | comment | added | Mr. Bond | @AlexBalilo Since Isaiah 44:24 states that God is the maker of all things by Himself and all alone why does the Apostle John say Jesus is the creator of all things at John 1:3? There are not two creators, only one so how do you reconcile this glaring contradiction? Secondly, Revelation 3:14 is teaching that Jesus is the "arche" of creation. We get our English word "architect" from that word and an architect is the "origin/draws up the plans, designer, the beginning of something to be created. lexiconcordance.com/greek/0746.html So again, please reconcile all of this. | |
| Jul 24, 2022 at 12:39 | comment | added | Mike Borden | No hidden implications, just a question about how "thrones, dominions, principalities, and powers" modifies things "visible and invisible". | |
| Jul 24, 2022 at 12:08 | comment | added | Levan Gigineishvili | @AlexBalilo That’s mythology, not theology. For Father His Logos is the very instrument of creation and therefore the Logos is uncreated. If Father created His Logos then He would have needed some Super-Logos for making this happen. Even if we fancy mythologically that Father creates heaven and earth without Logos and then creates Logos to create giraffes and rhinos through this created Logos, then creation of this Logos has no sense, for Father could create 🦒-es 🦏 -es alone. But again, this is a theology site, not mythology. | |
| Jul 24, 2022 at 11:47 | comment | added | Alex Balilo | Jesus attributed creation to his God. Mark 13:19. Even if He created Jesus for that purpose, it still would be Jesus ' God who created everything, including Jesus. That is why Jesus is the beginning of God's creation. Revelation 3:14. Colossians 1:15 | |
| Jul 24, 2022 at 10:41 | history | answered | Levan Gigineishvili | CC BY-SA 4.0 |