Timeline for What is the "rest" referred to at Hebrews 4:9-11, and how does one "enter into that rest"?
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| May 4, 2021 at 6:11 | comment | added | Xeno | OK. I think we may be on the same track. I was referring to keeping the Law of Christ, the "Law of Liberty" (Jas. 1:25, 2:12). | |
| May 4, 2021 at 6:08 | comment | added | Steve | agreed - hence my statement - we are not saved without them either! they go hand in hand, but keeping a law or marking some kind of discipline as a credit to ourselves amounts to nothing - but may even detract from God's saving work in Christ. | |
| May 4, 2021 at 6:04 | comment | added | Xeno | I fully agree with everything you said about our "rest." But we differ in our definition of "faith". Again, faith without works is dead (Jas. 2:26). Indeed, James devotes the entire 2nd-half of his Letter to works: "What use is it, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but he has no works? Can that faith save him?... Even so faith, if it has no works, is dead, being by itself" (Jas. 2:14,17). Those are not my words. Allow me to ask: What do you mean by "but the former is foremost"? Former what? | |
| May 4, 2021 at 5:58 | comment | added | Steve | Yes, but you are over reaching with 'works'. We are by NO means saved by works, but we are not saved without them either - but the former is foremost. The rest is because we are not striving to accomplish anymore - this victory over sin is won, we already share in that and so we rest in Christ and the works are a consequence of our salvation and newly forming life. | |
| May 4, 2021 at 5:53 | comment | added | Xeno | user48152 Christ's Law, the "Law of Liberty" (not the Law of Moses) is comprised of several essential factors including: 1) belief in Christ, 2) repentance, 3) confession, 4) baptism, and 5) sustained obedience to God. That last point includes worship consisting of prayer, communion, songs, and biblically-sound studying and teaching. Belief is a work (Jn. 6:29), confession is a work (Matt. 10:32), and repentance is a work (Acts 26:20). It is vital to understand that faith w/o works is dead (Jas. 2:26). The "rest" we enter into, our sabbath is, indeed, eternal rest with God in heaven. | |
| Dec 15, 2020 at 20:36 | comment | added | Ozzie Ozzie | user48152: A very good answer,( read my comments to costantthin ) And I ask you: "What was the purpose of the seventh day, and when will that purpose be fully realized?"Genesis 2:3 explains: "Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because on it He rested from all His work which God had created and made."The purpose is for the earth to be inhabited by obedient men and women who will take care of it and all life upon it. (Gen. 1:28) It is toward the realization of that purpose that both God and Jesus Christ, the “Lord of the sabbath,” have “kept working until now.” (Matt. 12:8) | |
| Dec 14, 2020 at 21:45 | history | answered | Steve | CC BY-SA 4.0 |