John 1:3 all things through him did happen, and without him happened not even one thing that hath happened.
Colossians 1:16 because in him were created all things in the heavens and upon the earth, the visible and the invisible, whether thrones or lordships or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and unto him.
This Colossians passage comes up a lot and mostly it is misread or misunderstood. That's probably why it comes up a lot!
It is a simple error - not reading carefully the words we are provided.
- IN him. Not BY him. This means that creation DID NOT happen BY Jesus.
- Things IN heaven and ON earth. Even if one forces Jesus as Creator, a Genesis creation of all things is not in view here. God didn't create just the things IN heaven and ON earth - He made the lot!
Anyone can read when Jesus was born. Approx. 4 BC is the first mention of this holy son of God. If we somehow decide Jesus created everything, then we have to make up a lot of stuff not inspired of God.
Why do we need to go beyond the passages to invent another truth, another gospel, another God???
Paul's context of Colossians is of the church and the new creation- the life of the spirit - of which Jesus is the first. The first human to be transformed into immortal life from a mortal physical life.
that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. Rom 8:29
This confirms what firstborn means - not OF all creation before Genesis, but of all in the new creation. (Does God have brothers?)
- the hope being laid up for you in the heavens v5
- having qualified you for the share of the inheritance of the saints v12
- transferred us into the kingdom of His beloved son v13
- in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins v14
- And he is the head of the body, the church v18
John 1:3 is also misread a lot. Some seem to think it's ok to read the start of John with Jesus in mind. The subject is clearly the logos and not Jesus - not until it becomes flesh v14.
To read, "all things through Jesus did happen, and without Jesus happened not even one thing that hath happened", is to treat the text with contempt and think we know better than John, and God! The reality of this logos is echoed in 1John 1 also.
From that brief outline we can safely and confidently answer the Q.
Is using John 1:3 and Col 1:16 to declare Jesus the creator going a bit beyond what these passages actually say?
No! It is not going a bit beyond. It is going A LOT BEYOND!
To make up such an interpretation is pure eisegesis. There is no other word for it, it's not even poor interpretation, it's making up things with no connection to the text.
If Jesus IS the Creator as many insist by twisting and misreading scripture, why is Jesus made HEIR? Heb 1. Why is Jesus exalted to the side of God if he is already God? This forces the fabrication of a two-natured Jesus - also not of scripture.
This is a reality check on the nonsensical claims of making Jesus more than the man scripture says he was and still is. John 8:40 by his own words he confirms this truth. Choosing to believe otherwise, we make him a liar. A man cannot be a man and God also - then he is simply NOT a man but a God/man. This the bible never speaks of.
Therefore he had to be made like his brothers in every respect Heb 2:17
Made as a God/man and supreme Creator is not remotely like us.
What does the 'in him were created all things' refer to here? This text does not indicate Jesus is Creator, so what does it indicate?
in him were created all things in the heavens and upon the earth, the visible and the invisible, whether thrones or lordships or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and unto him.
No things of this world will realise their God given destiny without Christ Jesus' perfect sacrifice. The only way to the Father is through Jesus. So while God created through His logos everything that is (John 1), He is continuing this process to another level - all through and in Jesus.
...this man, delivered over by the predetermined plan and foreknowledge of God, you nailed to a cross by the hands of godless men and put him to death. Acts 2:23
we speak God’s wisdom in a mystery, the hidden wisdom which God predestined before the ages to our glory; the wisdom which none of the rulers of this age has understood 1Cor 2:7
We have the old age of 'law of sin and death' and the new age of 'spirit and life' that Jesus' death (and new life) has made possible.
the Law of the Spirit of life has set you free in Christ Jesus from the Law of sin and death. Rom 8:2
Jesus is the firstborn (v15) of the new spirit life - all others may follow
first the saints (Rev 20) and then the rest. In Christ, God is continuing His creative work in this new age through the centrepiece of the church. First it was Israel, the earthly kingdom and the laws (death), then the Church, grace and Jesus, a heavenly Kingdom (life).
Jesus is the head and cornerstone of this new structure. v18
All created humanity comes to fulfilment, realising their purpose fully and finally in Christ. Without him, the "the visible and the invisible ...thrones or lordships or rulers or authorities" have no real purpose to bring about true life. They only function under Christ now to bring about the end of this age and all will know God and true life through Jesus and his headship. This true life, Jesus now lives, (Rom 6:9, 1 Pet 3:18) was always God's intended destiny for all people.
yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live. 1Cor 8:6
He who descended is himself, also he who ascended far above all the heavens, so that he might fill all things. 11And he gave some as apostles, some as prophets, some as evangelists, some as pastors and teachers, 12for the equipping of the saints for the work of ministry, for the building up of the body of Christ Eph 4:10-
Paul often reveals this future age and life that is only possible in and through Jesus. God sending him to accomplish a very special task that no one else could do. When God made Adam and Eve, He was just beginning a process of making man in His image. This process is completed in Christ Rom 8:29
God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways, 2in these last days has spoken to us in His son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom He also made the ages. Heb 1:1
- some bibles insert world or even universe for ages, αἰῶνας (aiōnas), but this is not correct. αἰῶνας also means forever.
- 'made' ἐποίησεν (epoiēsen) is better rendered 'has done'
So we can understand this as, 'through (because of) Jesus, God has done (brought about) forever'!
No wonder Jesus, on the cross, gasped with his last breath, "It is finished!". The work God gave him to do was done, evil was defeated, the age of 'spirit and life' could now accelerate toward the final stages.