The scriptures in question read in the Young's Literal Translation:
John 1:3
all things through him did happen, and without him happened not even one thing that hath happened.
Colossians 1:16
because in him were the all things created, those in the heavens, and those upon the earth, those visible, and those invisible, whether thrones, whether lordships, whether principalities, whether authorities; all things through him, and for him, have been created,
It seems like the verbs in these passages are constructed in such a way to connect the importance of Jesus to the creation of all things without actually using verbs that give Jesus himself active agency in the creation of all things: Jesus is one "through," "in," or "for" whom things are created, but not here specifically said to create. Thus someone else can be said to create through, in, or for Jesus.
On the other hand, the Bible seems to have no problem with giving God active agency in creation. For example:
- for those days shall be tribulation, such as hath not been from the beginning of the creation that God created, till now, and may not be; - Mark 13:19
- and to bring to light for everyone what is the plan of the mystery hidden for ages in God who created all things, (ESV -YLT seems to use a different base Greek text here) - Ephesians 3:9
- Etc...
Bottom line
- Is it hermeneutically sound to declare Jesus the creator from these verses alone, since God is often given active agency in the creation and the verbs in John 1:2 and Colossians 1:16 do not give Jesus such active agency.
- What can we say is intended to be specifically communicated regarding his role in these two verses, if it is right to say that the scripture writers are intentionally constructing the verbs to connect Jesus to the creation without declaring him actively the creator?
My concern is that even if Jesus can be declared the creator from other passages we may overwrite the actual meaning of these passages by assigning them meaning from other passages.
Note: This question seeks to differentiate from Does John 1:3 identify Jesus Christ as the creator? and What is Jesus being credited with here? Col 1:16 by drawing specific attention to the active verbs generally associated with the creator and the lack of them in John 1:3 and Colossians 1:16 for understanding the meaning of these two passages.
I think this is a valid question regardless of whether you believe in the Trinity or not or believe that the creation or bringing into existence of things here relates to the old creation or the new creation or something else.
This question is about what can confidently be said about the role specifically attributed to Jesus in these very specific passages based on the verb construction.
This question does assume that we can correctly identify Jesus as the Logos in John 1:1 but not necessarily the word of God elsewhere discussed in scripture. I'd rather not argue that point.