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There seems to be strong parallels between the events that transpire with the scroll/book in the O/T Book of Daniel and that of the N/T Book of Revelation. For example, we read very similar language in Revelation 10 compared to Daniel 12:

Revelation 10:5-7: "Then the angel whom I saw standing on the sea and on the land lifted up his right hand to heaven, 6and swore by Him who lives forever and ever, WHO CREATED HEAVEN AND THE THINGS IN IT, AND THE EARTH AND THE THINGS IN IT, AND THE SEA AND THE THINGS IN IT, that there will be delay no longer, 7but in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he is about to sound, then the mystery of God is finished, as He preached to His servants the prophets."

This appears to coincide with the following passages in Daniel:

Daniel 12:6-7: "And one said to the man dressed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, ‘How long will it be until the end of these wonders?’ 7I heard the man dressed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, as he raised his right hand and his left toward heaven, and swore by Him who lives forever that it would be for a time, times, and half a time; and as soon as they finish shattering the power of the holy people, all these events will be completed."

It sounds very much like the passages in both books are describing the same or similar event. Then we have the sealing of the Book in Daniel:

Daniel 12:4, 9: "But as for you, Daniel, conceal these words and seal up the book until the end of time; many will go back and forth, and knowledge will increase... 9He said, 'Go your way, Daniel, for these words are concealed and sealed up until the end time.'"

And, we have what appears to be the same book resurfacing whose seals will now be broken:

Revelation 5:8-9: "When He had taken the book, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each one holding a harp and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints. 9And they sang a new song, saying, 'Worthy are You to take the book and to break its seals; for You were slain, and purchased for God with Your blood men from every tribe and tongue and people and nation.'"

Is it at least plausible that the scroll/book in Revelation 5:8-9 is the same scroll/book from Daniel 12:4, and 12:9 where it may initially have been sealed?

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  • Being somewhat of an eschatologist, the books of Daniel & Revelation are somewhat familiar to me. The short answer to your Q. is:- "No!" Revelation 5:8-9, is talking about a little book, in the form of a scroll, with 7 seals binding, being witnessed in heaven by the four living creatures and the 24 elders, not to mention myriads of angels. Jesus, after his resurrection, is the only one found worthy to break the seals. And, it is a highly likely that he is close to opening the 6th seal at this moment in our history. It is the physical disturbances which occur after the seal is broken....tbc... Aug 7 at 3:10
  • ...that may well have a comparison to Dan, 12:4 and 9, and Rev, 10:5-7. Daniel was told, as we see in Chap. 12, to seal up 'his' book, 'distinct' from the scroll with 7 seals, until the time of the end, when 'at least' the scenarios within his book, as far as the 'end times' are concerned, may well mirror the physical disturbances to follow the breaking of the 6th seal, not to mention the 7th. Aug 7 at 3:40
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There is an assumption in the OP's question that the scroll/book of rev 5 is the same as Rev 10. This is NOT necessarily the same.

I agree that there are strong and extensive structural parallels between Rev 10 and Dan 12. Such do NOT exist between Rev 5 and Dan 12. Let me be more specific.

Dan 12 vs Rev 5

  • Rev 5 describes the enthronement ceremony (someone sitting down on the throne) of Jesus following the resurrection; Dan 12 is about someone standing up
  • No throne is mentioned or implied in Dan 12
  • Dan 12 involves a single seal; Rev 5 involves seven seals
  • Dan 12 is talking about the time of the end; Jesus enthronement as the bleeding/wounded/slaughtered Lamb was at the beginning of the kingdom of Heaven.

Dan 12 vs Rev 10

  • Dan 12:4, 9, 13 is about the time of the end and so is Rev 10:7
  • Both discuss things being seal up (Dan 12:4, 9, Rev 10:4)
  • Both describe a man dressed in linen with his right hand raised toward heaven
  • Dan 12:4 instructs the book be sealed until the time of the end; Rev 10:2 talks about the little book that had just been opened
  • Both discuss the book being in the hands of the prophet (Dan 12:4, 9, Rev 10:8)

There are also obvious parallels with Eze 2 & 3 with Rev 10.

Thus, there is a significant number of parallels between Dan 12 and Rev 10 suggesting that the book that had just been unsealed was perhaps the book of Daniel itself.

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  • I have to say it. This could be right on. It's a +1 from me. Aug 7 at 3:50
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Is the scroll/book revealed in Revelation 5:8-9 the same scroll/book that was sealed in Daniel 12:4, 9?

Short Answer: Yes. It seems most plausible that the book being opened beginning in Revelation 5 is the very same that was sealed in Daniel 12. Here is the first mention of this book:

Revelation 5:8-9: "When He had taken the book, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each one holding a harp and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints. 9And they sang a new song, saying, 'Worthy are You to take the book and to break its seals; for You were slain, and purchased for God with Your blood men from every tribe and tongue and people and nation.'"

In the Book of Revelation (chapter 10), a mighty angel has taken his stand on the sea and on the land. The angel raises his right hand to heaven and swore that there would no longer be delay. What would no longer be delayed? The mystery of God announced by the prophets would be fulfilled. When would this happen? The angel says in the days when the seventh angel blows his trumpet. Remember that we have been listening to the seven trumpets blasting judgment. We have read of six trumpets sounding up to this point. The angel then declares that when the seventh angel sounds his trumpet then it is done. The mystery of God spoken by the prophets will be fulfilled.

To gain further clarity about what we are being told, we must recognize that this picture is found in Daniel 12, were we see the same angel taking the same stand and making the same oath:

Daniel 12:4, 6-7, 9, NASB: "But as for you, Daniel, conceal these words and seal up the book until the end of time; many will go back and forth, and knowledge will increase... 6And one said to the man dressed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, 'How long will it be until the end of these wonders?'

7I heard the man dressed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, as he raised his right hand and his left toward heaven, and swore by Him who lives forever that it would be for a time, times, and half a time; and as soon as they finish shattering the power of the holy people, all these events will be completed. 8As for me, I heard but could not understand; so I said, 'My lord, what will be the outcome of these events?' 9He said, 'Go your way, Daniel, for these words are concealed and sealed up until the end time.'"

Now, let us consider Revelation 10 in this same vein:

Revelation 10:5-7, NASB: "Then the angel whom I saw standing on the sea and on the land lifted up his right hand to heaven, 6and swore by Him who lives forever and ever, WHO CREATED HEAVEN AND THE THINGS IN IT, AND THE EARTH AND THE THINGS IN IT, AND THE SEA AND THE THINGS IN IT, that there will be delay no longer, 7but in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he is about to sound, then the mystery of God is finished, as He preached to His servants the prophets."

All the elements of Daniel 12:7 and Revelation 10:5-7 appear to parallel one another. The only significant difference is that of the timeline. When the angel in Daniel proclaims his oath, he declares that it was going to be a “time, times, and half a time.” A period of time was going to pass before these events would unfold. However, the real point that is repeated in Daniel 12 verses 4 and 9 is that the words were to be concealed and sealed up until "the end time." That is, the prophetic fulfillment would not occur in the days of Daniel, but rather later during the "end time." What is the "end time" if not the Church Age?

The angel reveals in Daniel what event his oath concerns. Observe the end of verse 7, “[As] soon as they finish shattering the power of the holy people, all these events will be completed.” When the angel said these words to Daniel, who were the “holy people?” "Holy people" was a reference to the nation of Israel. As we look to the Book of Daniel, we see the same point being made:

Daniel 12:1b: “And there will be a time of distress such as never occurred since there was a nation until that time; and at that time your people, everyone who is found written in the book, will be rescued."

The angel tells Daniel that this prophecy is about his people, the Jewish nation. Those who were written in the book: Christians, would be delivered from this time of great tribulation. As we again look to the Book of Revelation, the angel declares:

Revelation 10:6c-7: "[There] will be delay no longer, 7but in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he is about to sound, then the mystery of God is finished, as He preached to His servants the prophets."

Which specific prophet might the angel have in mind? The most obvious answer is Daniel. The angel further told Daniel that there would be delay ("a time, times, and half of time," Daniel 12:7). Now an angel tells John there will not be a delay (Rev. 10:6). This angel also seems to confirm that the locusts in Revelation 9 represent a world power destroying another nation in Scripture (cf. Joel 2). The logical interpretation of the locusts is that they represent the Roman Empire coming against the Jewish nation in A.D. 70. Revelation 10, in conjunction with Daniel 12 appears to validate this. Many clues reveal themselves as far back as chapter 6: the physical Jewish nation was the object of God’s wrath.

Jesus clearly prophesied of this doom in Matthew 24 (cf. Luke 21) even mentioning Daniel by name:

Matthew 24:15-21: "Therefore when you see the ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION [Roman Imperial Army] which was spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand), 16then those who are in Judea must flee to the mountains. 17Whoever is on the housetop must not go down to get the things out that are in his house. 18Whoever is in the field must not turn back to get his cloak... 21For then there will be a great tribulation, such as has not occurred since the beginning of the world until now, nor ever will."

Paul also noted God's coming wrath against the nation of Israel:

1 Thessalonians 2:14-16: "For you, brethren, became imitators of the churches of God in Christ Jesus that are in Judea, for you also endured the same sufferings at the hands of your own countrymen, even as they did from the Jews, 15who both killed the Lord Jesus and the prophets, and drove us out. They are not pleasing to God, but hostile to all men, 16hindering us from speaking to the Gentiles so that they may be saved; with the result that they always fill up the measure of their sins. But wrath has come upon them to the utmost."

While some of the wording is slightly altered, it seems relatively clear that Daniel 12:4, 6-7, and Daniel 12:9 are referring to the same thing. When we tie many verses together from Daniel, Matthew, 1 Thessalonians, Revelation, and others, the message seems to indicate that that which was sealed in the book during Daniel's day is now being revealed in the Book of Revelation per verses 10:6c-7 and others. The picture it paints is that of the horrific judgment seen in the previous chapters against the nation of Israel in AD 70.

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  • Daniel 12:4 and 9 are in reference to the same thing. But I believe 6 and 7 is a flash back to the 1st century, with the "time, times and half a time" possibly referring to Jesus' 3 and one half year ministry. Then the finishing/shattering of the power of the holy people probably refers to the martyrdom of Jesus' disciples as a result of their "Great Commission" which ended with the start of the '1st Jewish/Roman' war in 66 AD, which then led to the destruction of Jerusalem and it's temple in 70 AD, a 3 and one half year period in of it's self, to mirror the coming 'end times' most likely. Aug 7 at 4:29
  • @OldeEnglish We will probably disagree with a few things, but what I'm about to write should not be contentious. First, there is no doubt in my mind that the 3 1/2 years is the siege against Jerusalem (it's also a historical fact). The shattering of the "holy people" [the Jews] described in Matt. 24:15-16 and Dan. 12:7: "Therefore when you see the ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION [Roman Imperial Army] which was spoken of through Daniel the prophet [Dan. 12:11], standing in the holy place... then those who are in Judea [Christians] must flee to the mountains [modern Pella, Jordan]."
    – Xeno
    Aug 7 at 16:33
  • To continue, the "end times" are the period since the inauguration of the N/T. It is the Church Age. People have been living in these "end times" for 2,000 years. They are "end" times because there is no further prophecy to be delivered by God, Jude vs. 3: "[Contend] earnestly for the faith entrusted once for all to the saints." There is much more, but I wanted to get back to you about this sooner rather than later. This is part of my take on these events. I'm not saying that you don't have some interesting thoughts on the matter. :-)
    – Xeno
    Aug 7 at 16:39
  • Just saw this. Missed it earlier. We do differ somewhat here. As to the 'time, times and half a time' in Dan, 12:7, I'll stick with what I've already said. I think that Dan, 12:7 and Matt, 24:15-16, encompass duel prophecies. The A of D was introduced by Daniel in Dan, 9:26,27. The prince that is to come [small p, not to be confused with "Messiah the (P)rince" in v.25] was the Roman General Titus, who destroyed Jerusalem and it's temple, therefore fulfilling the role of the initial A of D. The A of D in Dan, 12:11 refers to someone yet future....tbc.... Aug 8 at 0:30
  • @OldeEnglish I just happened to look at the computer an noticed this first comment. Then, as I waited, another one (ostensibly by you) appeared for a moment, then disappeared. Well, I agree with you that the (p)rince is Titus, and that he did destroy all of Judea. I just believe that Dan. 9:26-27 and Dan. 12:10-13 are near identical, (12) recapitulating what we read in (9). May I ask why you believe there are 2 A's of D's?
    – Xeno
    Aug 8 at 1:03
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My research and study reveals that indeed there is information in Revelation that can reveal a greater understanding of Daniel. The long answer is it took me 25 years to reach a conclusion that Daniel indeed reveals the restoration of Israel when deciphered by Revelation. Cultural understanding of Israel is also necessary to promote the understanding. Psalm 72:5 (KJV) They shall fear thee as long as the sun and moon endure, throughout all generations.

Psalm 104:19 (KJV) He appointed the moon for seasons: the sun knoweth his going down.

Song of Songs 6:10 (KJV) Who [is] she [that] looketh forth as the morning, fair as the moon, clear as the sun, [and] terrible as [an army] with banners?

Isaiah 24:23 (KJV) Then the moon shall be confounded, and the sun ashamed, when the LORD of hosts shall reign in mount Zion, and in Jerusalem, and before his ancients gloriously.

Isaiah 30:26 (KJV) Moreover the light of the moon shall be as the light of the sun, and the light of the sun shall be sevenfold, as the light of seven days, in the day that the LORD bindeth up the breach of his people, and healeth the stroke of their wound.

Jeremiah 31:34-36 (KJV) 34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more. 35 Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, [and] the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts [is] his name: 36 If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, [then] the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.

Jeremiah 33:20 (KJV) Thus saith the LORD; If ye can break my covenant of the day, and my covenant of the night, and that there should not be day and night in their season;

Jeremiah 33:21 (KJV) [Then] may also my covenant be broken with David my servant, that he should not have a son to reign upon his throne; and with the Levites the priests, my ministers.

The answer lies in the main numbers given in Daniel being 2300, 1260, 1290 and 1335. Adding these together results in 6185. 2 Peter 3:8 used in conjunction of the creation which are the only days of the Almighty mentioned then places a 6000 year culmination in some essence. Then considering the cultural awareness of at least 2 witnesses required to sight the moon. Using a 364 day format the lunar/solar calendar is equaled in a 12:13 ratio split. The interesting part here is that it parallels the river with 12 trees either side when 2 witnesses are multiplied by 12 for 6000 years becomes the famous 144,000. Now accordingly the lunar equivalent is to amount to 2x13x6000 resulting in 156,000. Here’s the magic… When 6185 is divided by 13 or 156,000 and multiplied by 12 or 144,000 the answer becomes 5709. 5709 in Hebrew years is the modern 1948. One other thing is apparent by this of the preceding 12 months in 1947 to 1948 was the year according to a hireling for the overthrow of Kedar. Also notice 6185 to 5709 is time shortening lest no man survive. This 1947 encodes the 7000 that have not bended the knee to baal. From 144,000 minus 7000 is 137,000 and 137,000 divided by the 2x12 factor 24 is 5708.

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