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"but do not measure the court outside the temple; leave that out, for it is given over to the nations, and they will trample the holy city for forty-two months." (Rev 11:2 - ESV)

But exclude the outer court; do not measure it, because it has been given to the Gentiles. They will trample on the holy city for 42 months. (Rev 11:2 - NIV)

  • Has this event already taken place or is it a future event?
  • Is it a literal or figurative temple/courtyard?
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    Love this question. Will endeavor to answer in due course. Jul 30 at 8:11
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Before diving into Revelation, please read:

  • the other prophetic works, since the same themes appear in all the prophetic works, but with different variations. E.g. the new Jerusalem, the four beasts, the four horsemen, locusts, the pit, etc, are all common motifs.

  • read about the temple. I recommend "The Temple: Its Ministry and Services" by Edersheim, it's a famous book you can find for free. Then things like the court of the gentiles, court of women, the 24 elders, the two lampstands, the bronze altar, altar of incense, coals on the altar, etc, will make more sense.

The Court of Gentiles

Temple Courts

The temple has courts, the outermost court, open to all, is the court of gentiles where gentiles are allowed to go. This was a bazaar filled with pilgrims, money changers, people selling livestock and doves for sacrifice, priests directing people, etc. During the high holy days hundreds of thousands of people would go through this court.

But gentiles can go no further than the court of gentiles. This is where Jesus drove out the money changers:

John 2.14-17

In the temple courts he found people selling cattle, sheep and doves, and others sitting at tables exchanging money. So he made a whip out of cords, and drove all from the temple courts, both sheep and cattle; he scattered the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables. To those who sold doves he said, “Get these out of here! Stop turning my Father’s house into a market!” His disciples remembered that it is written: “Zeal for your house will consume me.”

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Beyond that is the court of women where only jews could go, both male and female. But female jews were not allowed beyond the court of women. Then there was the court of priests where the sacrifices were performed at the brazen altar and then the entrance to the Sanctuary (the main temple building with the holy place and most holy place).

Thus unbelievers are allowed to "trample" or defile the Temple as long as the Temple resides in this world, because as long as there is a Temple the court of the gentiles is available to the gentiles. But this availability, this mixing in which the church must coexist with non-believers, and is thus persecuted by non-believers, will come to an end. The court of the gentiles is also referred to as "the outer court", and so appears in prophetic works, whereas the court of women and priests are referred to as "inner courts". This is the interpretation to Rev 11.2

But exclude the outer court; do not measure it, because it has been given to the Gentiles. They will trample on the holy city for 42 months.

This is the entire world -- e.g. you have gentiles mixing with believers in the outer court, then the inner courts, then the holy place and most holy place. Thus everything that happens, happens in the temple (counting both the courts and Sanctuary).

Is Prophetic imagery "real" or "figurative"

The court of gentiles was a real place, but the temple being described in prophecy is spiritual, and it is this spiritual pattern against which all three sanctuaries (tabernacle, Solomon's Temple, Herod's Temple) were modeled.

That does not mean it is "figurative" per se, since God is spirit and God is real, not figurative. However all prophecy is a view into spiritual things, not sensual things, so if you are expecting literal streets paved with gold you will be disappointed. Prophecy is a set of visions, of images, and prophecy as a genre is a series of glimpses of the Temple, since the temple is the gateway between man and God, where God resides, and revelation of God is what prophecy is about. Thus we can also interpret prophecy as a description of what is happening within us, as we are the temple of God. It is the "physical" world that is a metaphor, as it is a type and shadow of the spiritual temple. So God told Moses to construct the tabernacle according to the pattern he saw in the revelation on Sinai:

Ex 25.8-9

And let them make me a sanctuary; that I may dwell among them. According to all that I shew thee, after the pattern of the tabernacle, and the pattern of all the instruments thereof, even so shall ye make it.

Thus the physical manifestation is a pattern or figurative image of the spiritual reality. Similarly the natural world is a pattern of the spiritual world - a type or shadow. Something transient, ephemeral, illusory, whereas the spiritual is real, permanent, and eternal. The world that we can see and touch is just a metaphor for things happening in the spirit. Therefore it's incorrect to call prophecy symbolic, although for practical reasons we do that. What we should do is call the world of the senses symbolic of what is revealed in prophecy.

Hebrews 10.1

For the law, possessing a shadow of the good things that are about to come, not the form of things itself, is never able ⌊year by year⌋ by means of the same sacrifices which they offer without interruption to make perfect those who draw near

1 Chron 29.15

For we are strangers before thee, and sojourners, as were all our fathers: our days on the earth are as a shadow, and there is none abiding.

Job 8.9

For we are but of yesterday, and know nothing, Because our days upon earth are a shadow

Eccl 6.12

For who knoweth what is good for man in this life, all the days of his vain life which he spendeth as a shadow? for who can tell a man what shall be after him under the sun?

Heb 8.3-5 describes the services in the physical temple as types and shadows of Christ:

For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer. For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law: Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.

Col 2.16-17

Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holy day, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

So in our current shadow of reality we live together with unbelievers, and this coexistence is a metaphor for the outer court of the spiritual temple being trampled upon, but this is a temporary situation. With the interpretation of the temple being within us, we can say that there are aspects of our own inner life in which gentiles (or the world) is trampling, but this too will be removed. This is how I would interpret the passage.

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    Just read this. Superb answer! Love the courtyard images. I just finished handwriting my own answer, which expounds on the figurative/symbolic/spiritual theme but then takes yet another tack. It will follow in due course. Well done Robert. Jul 30 at 8:08
  • @Robert Thanks for your detailed contribution. "Female jews were not allowed to beyond the court of women". I think you might have missed a go, allowed to go beyond! Would you call this temple also symbolic 2 Thess 2:4? Are you talking of This One by Edersheim? Jul 30 at 9:39
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    Thanks @DanielDahlberg I added a link, cleaned up the language, added bold formatting to the quotes.
    – Robert
    Jul 30 at 16:51
  • @Robert Good but you did not confirm if I got right book the temple Jul 31 at 8:31
  • I put a link to the book -- it's the same book as you have. It's public domain.
    – Robert
    Jul 31 at 8:39
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Revelation 11:2 literal or figurative?

John is instructed to measure the temple of God, the altar, and those who worship there. He is given a measuring rod to do this. The image of measuring is used in several places throughout Scripture. Sometimes the imagery is used of a plumb line as the people are measured against the standard of God’s laws.

2 Kings 21:13: "And I will stretch over Jerusalem the measuring line of Samaria, and the plumb line of the house of Ahab, and I will wipe Jerusalem as one wipes a dish, wiping it and turning it upside down."

Sometimes the imagery is used to measure those who are righteous.

Zechariah 2:1-5: "And I lifted my eyes and saw, and behold, a man with a measuring line in his hand! 2Then I said, ‘Where are you going?’ And he said to me, ‘To measure Jerusalem, to see what is its width and what is its length.’ 3And behold, the angel who talked with me came forward, and another angel came forward to meet him 4and said to him, ‘Run, say to that young man, "Jerusalem shall be inhabited as villages without walls, because of the multitude of people and livestock in it. 5And I will be to her a wall of fire all around, declares the LORD, and I will be the glory in her midst.”‘“

At the end of the Book of Revelation we will see the city called the New Jerusalem, representing the people of God, being measured:

Revelation 21:15-17: “And the one who spoke with me had a measuring rod of gold to measure the city and its gates and walls. 16The city lies foursquare, its length the same as its width. And he measured the city with his rod, 12,000 stadia [1,500 miles]. Its length and width and height are equal. 17He also measured its wall, 144 cubits [72 yards] by human measurement, which is also an angel’s measurement.”

In Ezekiel, chapter 40, the prophet sees a vision of a person with a measuring reed in his hand. He is measuring the new temple of God and is to prophesy about the coming glory of the new temple.

The temple in the New Testament represents the true, holy people of God. In Revelation 3:12 we read that those who conquer will be made “a pillar in the temple of my God. Never shall he go out of it.” Paul also repeatedly taught that the people of God are God’s temple.

1 Corinthians 3:16: "Do you not know that you are God’s temple and that God’s Spirit dwells in you?” (emphasis added).

2 Corinthians 6:16: "What agreement has the temple of God with idols? For we are the temple of the living God; as God said, ‘I will make my dwelling among them and walk among them, and I will be their God, and they shall be my people’” (emphasis added).

Many espouse a futurist method of interpretation to the Book of Revelation. They see the images of the temple in Ezekiel 40-48 and Revelation 11 and feel that a physical temple will have to be rebuilt one day to fulfill these prophecies. However, they are overlooking what Ezekiel prophesied in his day, which ultimately found its fulfillment in being joined to Christ:

Ephesians 2:18-21: "So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, 20built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone, 21in whom the whole structure, being joined together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord.”

Christ is the cornerstone of this temple, while the apostles and prophets are the foundation. We are being built into the holy temple of the Lord, a steady process in which new members are added to the Lord's Church every day. We should not think that only a small group of Christians see this temple as a spiritual temple to the Lord.1

Therefore, when we read about the temple of God in Revelation 11:1 we are reading about the full compliment of the true people of God. They are measured for protection from spiritual harm. As we have already seen in the book and will see again later in this chapter, the measuring cannot mean that they will not be killed.

The seals have revealed that the servants of God would be killed but their salvation is secure even though they will physically die. The measuring of the worshipers is a guarantee that they are members in the heavenly, spiritual temple irrespective of what happens to them on earth.

1 Even the Qumran community, those who wrote the Dead Sea Scrolls, spiritualized Ezekiel’s temple. They declared the temple in Jerusalem as apostate and considered themselves the true spiritual temple (1QS 5:5-6; 8:4-10; 9:3-6; 11:7ff; CD 3:19-4:6; 4QFlor 1:2-9). They even used measurement imagery to describe the security of this temple (1QH 6:26).

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  • Thanks for your contribution +1 You answer came in last yet did reveal something new =) "Sometimes the imagery is used of a plumb line as the people are measured against the standard of God’s laws." very good indeed to bring up the measuring part and to co-relate it to the plump-line! To the apostels and prophets being the foundation, You also have the saints stones beside pillars1 Pet 2:5 And you are living stones that God is building into his spiritual temple. Jul 30 at 10:31
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    Have just seen this after finishing my own answer, there having been only 2 answers when I started posting. Another great answer indeed. Jul 30 at 10:44
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The extent to which the language of any passage is figurative vs literal can be gauged by the surrounding language:

  • Rev 11 begins with a reference to the "temple of God" - at the probable time that John wrote Revelation (last decade of 1st century) the Jerusalem temple did not exist and so the "temple of God" refers to something else - presumably either the church (1 Cor 3:16, 17), or the temple in heaven (Heb 8:1, 2), or Jesus' body (John 2:19-21). In any case, it is a figurative reference as the Jerusalem temple is not referred to as "the temple of God".
  • Rev 11:1 has John given a measuring rod to measure the temple, the altar and its worshipers. This is clearly figurative.
  • Rev 11:4 - the two witnesses are also two olive tree, two lampstands, who stand before the Lord of the earth. This is also figurative language
  • Rev 11:5 - fire from the mouth of witnesses is another figurative statement
  • Rev 11:6 contains a direct reference to the prophets Moses and Elijah in a figurative way.

For a consistent hermeneutic, Rev 11:2, 3 and must be viewed as figurative language as well (see also 8). The key to understanding Revelation's symbols to to find the Biblical precedent which in this case is possibly Luke 21:24 -

They will fall by the edge of the sword and be led captive into all the nations. And Jerusalem will be trodden down by the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.

This is the possible allusion here because both Rev 11:2, 3 and Luke 21:24 contain a reference to the Jerusalem being trampled by gentiles/nations. There is also a an allusion to the Daniel's prophecies with 42 months and 1260 days being the same time period as the mentioned in Dan 7:25, 12:7, 12:11. Note the helpful comments of Ellicott :

(Rev 11:2) But the court . . .—Translate, And the court which is outside the Temple cast out, and measure not it; because it was given to the nations (Gentiles): and they shall tread down the holy city forty and two months. The outer court—meaning, perhaps, all that lies outside the Temple itself—is to be omitted. ... It is the treading under of sacred things when the beast-power, or the world-power in men, tramples, like the swine, the pearls of grace under their feet, and turns fiercely upon those who gave them. Such an experience must the Church of Christ undergo. The shrine shall be safe, but the spirit of the nations, though nominally Christian, will be the spirit of Gentilism, worldliness, and even of violence. In the outer court of Church life there will be “the ebbing and flowing mass,” who “sit in the way of knowledge,” who “stand idle in the market-place,” who have no oil in their lamps, and who indirectly pave the way for utter worldliness and practical heathenism. But there is a limit to this desecration: forty and two months it is to last. The same length of time is expressed in different forms throughout the book. Sometimes we have twelve hundred and sixty days, as in Revelation 11:3 and in Revelation 12:6; at another time forty-two months, as here and in Revelation 13:5. A similar period seems to be meant in Revelation 12:14, where a time, times, and half a time is probably a way of expressing three years and a half; all three forms describe periods of the same length—not, of course, necessarily the same period. The idea is taken from Daniel, who uses such and similar expressions (Daniel 7:25; Daniel 12:7; Daniel 12:11). This incorporation of the expressions used by Daniel is one of those hints which remind us that the laws and principles of God’s government are the same in all ages: so that the principles which receive illustration in one set of historical events are likely to receive similar illustrations in after times; and that the prophecies of one era may contain seeds of fulfilments which spring to fruit in more than one age. ... but for the present, the period of forty and two months, the equivalent of three years and a half (the half of seven, the complete and divine number), is the symbol of a period limited in length, and under the control of Him who holds the seven stars and lives through the ages. It is the pilgrimage period of the Church, the period of the world’s power, during which it seems to triumph; but the period of sackcloth (see Revelation 11:3) and of suffering will not last forever.

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  • Another great answer to the OP's question. I'm almost hesitant now to pen my own but I've already at least written it out, so it will follow shortly. Jul 30 at 8:15
  • @Dottard Thank you for your contribution! The 3.5 times, 42 months and 1260 days as separate, I can't buy that; "not, of course, necessarily the same period." 3.5, 42 & 1260 that it would be separate times periods, but it's year, months, days (biblical years) 3.5 years = 42 months = 1260 days. Do you conclude that "but for the present, the period of forty and two months, the equivalent of three years and a half" that those tree sets of time are separate and we currently in the 42 months, are those 42 months literal? Jul 30 at 10:09
  • @DanielDahlberg - the interpretation of the 1260 days, 42 months, 3½ years is another question whose interpretation depends on whether you are a preterist, historicist, futurist, or idealist in your prophetic understanding. As another question, perhaps on Christianity Stack Exchange for that one.
    – Dottard
    Jul 30 at 11:56
  • @Dottard I wounder if you hold these tree numbers as different eras/times periods? Jul 30 at 12:04
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    @DanielDahlberg - This is a great site for a variety of opinions and beliefs. If you want to ask that question, please do so, but it may be better on Christianity Stack Exchange.
    – Dottard
    Jul 30 at 12:19
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The 42 months was literal, not figurative. Rev. 11:2 follows Rev. 11:1.

"And there was given to me a reed like to a rod, and the messenger stood, saying, `Rise, and measure the sanctuary of God, and the altar, and those worshipping in it;" (YLT)

The people were still worshipping in that temple when the book was written. A reed, or rod... we might compare this rod to a yardstick. See Ezek. 40:3 where the angel has a measuring reed for the re-construction of the temple that was destroyed by Nebuchadnezzar.

The measuring of the inner sanctuary was symbolic of preserving the true and faithful worshipers just as the angel was to seal the righteous servants in Rev. 7:3 which were represented by the symbolic 144,000 - the 12 tribes multiplied by the perfect and complete symbol of 1,000. To preserve, or keep from harm from the army that God was going to send to destroy Jerusalem and the temple.

There is no temple for the house of Israel today in Jerusalem, and has not been since AD 70. In order for this prophesy to be used as something to come in our future, or any other future generation would require that a temple in Jerusalem be rebuilt, and then another army sent to destroy the city and that future temple a 3rd time. The entire prophesy of Revelation was for the destruction of Jerusalem and that temple which was still in existence when the book was written.

The assumption that Revelation was written during the last decade of the 1st century AD is false, and stems from a misunderstanding or misuse of a statement made by Irenaeus who was referring to Nero and not Domitian.

"“It was written in Patmos about A.D. 68, whither John had been banished by Domitius Nero, as stated in the title of the Syria version of the book; and with this concurs the express statement of Irenaeus in A.D. 175, who says it happened in the reign of Domitianou – i.e., Domitius (Nero). Sulpicius, Orosius, etc., stupidly mistaking Domitianou for Domitianikos, supposed Irenaeus to refer to Domitian, A.D. 95, and most succeeding writers have fallen into the same blunder. The internal testimony is wholly in favor of the early date. The temple at Jerusalem was still standing (ch. 11.1-10); the exact duration of the siege is foretold, viz., 42 months, 3(-)1/2 years, or 1260 days; the two witnesses are to be slain in the city where our Lord was crucified; Nero was reigning at the time, for it is said of the seven kings of Rome; ‘five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come, and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.’ The five kings are Julius Caesar, Augustus, Tiberius, Caligula, Claudius. The ‘one who is ‘ is Nero; the one who ‘must continue for a short space’ is Galba, who reigned only seven months. Everywhere the events are ‘to come quickly,’ lit. ‘with haste,’ or speed (ch. 1.1; 2.16; 3.11; 11.14; 22.7, 12, 20). The escape of the Christian Jews from Jerusalem to Pella is undoubtedly referred to in ch. 7.1-8, compared with Mat. 24.30.’” (Source: Young's Analytical Concordance, 1885) (1)

The Roman army destroyed the city and the temple in Jerusalem during the first Roman-Jewish war of AD 67-70, or in 42 months which is the equivalent of that same prophetic destruction told to Daniel of the "time, times, and a half" for the destruction of Jerusalem (Dan. 12:7).

Which is the same 1260 days (42 mos. x 30 days) or Rev. 11:3, or the last half of the last 7 years of Dan. 9:24 - 3-1/2 years. Daniel was asking when the end of "these things" shall be, and so many people remove Dan. 12:6 from the entire context of the prophesy which began in Dan. 9 where Daniel asked for the end of the desolations (destruction) of JERUSALEM.

"17 and now, hearken, O our God, unto the prayer of Thy servant, and unto his supplication, and cause Thy face to shine on Thy sanctuary that [is] desolate, for the Lord's sake.

18 `Incline, O my God, Thine ear, and hear, open Thine eyes and see our desolations, and the city on which Thy name is called; for not for our righteous acts are we causing our supplications to fall before Thee, but for Thy mercies that [are] many." (Dan. 9:17-18, YLT)

And Gabriel told Daniel:

"`Seventy weeks are determined for thy people, and for thy holy city, to shut up the transgression, and to seal up sins, and to cover iniquity, and to bring in righteousness age-during, and to seal up vision and prophet, and to anoint the holy of holies." (Dan. 9:24, YLT) (2) (3)

Daniel 12 was still discussing the prophesy begun in Daniel 9 which concerned Daniel's people (the Jews) and Daniel's holy city(Jerusalem). The end of those things was the end of the earthly animal sacrificial system under the earthly carnal Mosaic covenant.

The birthing of the spiritual out of the carnal or fleshly system occurred at the end of the days of the destruction of earthly Jerusalem and the physical Mosaic temple. The earthly or natural comes first, and then the spiritual (1 Cor. 15:42-49). The resurrected new Jerusalem and new temple was spiritual, not physical.

All of Revelation was the prophesy of Christ's coming in judgment of that natural earthly temple system in Jerusalem which was finished in AD 70 when the Romans burned the city and tore down the stones (Matt. 24:2) during the 42 months of that war in the 1st century AD. It has already happened.

Notes:

  1. Signs of Revelation, Part I: The Time of His Coming ShreddingTheVeil

  2. The Seventy Weeks of Daniel Chap. 9 ShreddingTheVeil

  3. Daniel and the End Times ShreddingTheVeil

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  • Thank you Gina for your contribution +1! Do you mean 260 days (42 mos. x 30 days) or Rev. 11:3 was fulfilled 67-70 A.D. if I understood it right do you think then it has a dubble fulfillment? Jul 30 at 10:15
  • I'm sorry, but the Preterist view IMO is a 'Pretentious' view. I agree that the 42 months, itself, as pertaining to the verse in question at least, is of a literal nature but I can't agree with your timing. There were, however, two, not one, 'other' 3.5 year periods surrounding the 2nd temple destruction!! We both, however, also agree that there will be no 3rd temple, of a literal nature, in Jerusalem. From what I remember of my own investigation of the timing of John's revelation, I did not come to your conclusion but it has been awhile and I may just have to look into it again. Jul 30 at 11:24
  • After spending the last several hours looking into the possibility of an earlier date to the writing of the book of Revelation, I can now cite the following: As to the theory that Revelation was written by John in the late 60's (as opposed to 90's), under the emperor Lucius Domitius Ahenobarbus, who took the name "Nero", this Idea would seem to have been promulgated by one well-known spokesman, for the 'theonomist' (pre 70 AD) camp, namely one Kenneth L Gentry, in 1989. Inconsistency, however, marks Gentry's hermeneutical pattern, which was well and truly dismissed...tbc... Jul 30 at 22:26
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    @OldeEnglish - Your research is incomplete. First audience perspective is required for proper hermeneutics. If Rev had been written after the destruction of the temple it would have had to have been mentioned in the prophesy. The temple was the center of the Jewish world. That the temple is no where represented in the book has having already been destroyed is clear evidence that it was still in operation when the book was written.
    – Gina
    Jul 31 at 7:29
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    @OldeEnglish - the future tense verbs and words were yet future to those of that generation. They were still waiting for that temple to be torn down. Their future in their lifetime is not our future. Their future is our past. Christ did everything He said He was going to do, fulfilled all of the prophesies of the OT just as He promised. The temple was still standing when the book was written. The climax was the fully established kingdom, the fullness of the gospel of Christ under the new covenant which has been in operation ever since.
    – Gina
    Jul 31 at 10:36
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Revelation 11:2, literal or figurative?

I believe, wholeheartedly, that we are talking figuratively here, with regard to the temple sanctuary and its altar, not to mention the outer court. As a consequence, we can neither be talking about the 2nd temple, nor even a 3rd, for it can only be symbolic, spiritual even. As for the courtyard, which is attributable to the Gentile nations, it is to be excluded from John's measuring, suggesting that certain ones of these, at least, will be outside the protection of God.

The setting here is between the blowing of the 6th trumpet and the 7th and final trumpet and is therefore yet future, or could even be to do with the 'here and now'. [ I am not, however, an advocate for the '7 year tribulation' period, as I believe the 70th week of Daniel's prophecy was fulfilled in the 1st Century, i.e. 66 AD thru 73 AD, as I have expressed numerous times on this site, but that's by the way here ].

The temple sanctuary and altar, as such, is being shown to be in survival mode. It is the symbolic outer courtyard, that is to be cast clear out, without being measured, it having been given over to the Nations/Gentiles, who are to, subsequently, tread under foot the holy city (so called, New Jerusalem) for 42 months. The 42 months (1260 days), as at least pertaining to this particular verse (for there are other same length periods in Revelation and Daniel) could be past, present or future and even part of an even bigger number. However, for the eschatologists among us, we cannot help but feel that September 11, 2001, may have indeed heralded the beginning of the end. The 4 blood red moons of 2014 and 2015 AD, making for the last of 10 'tetrads' in the 'Common Era', the first being that of 32 and 33 AD, which culminated in the 'Ransom Sacrifice', may yet yield their significance in the unrelenting march of time since. The number 10, after all, signifies completeness. One should probably take note of the fact that it has not even been 2300 evenings and mornings since 2015's end of September(09/28/2015), final blood red moon of the possible, all encompassing, 10th tetrad.

I will close here with Daniel's 13th and 14th verses of his 8th chapter, widely accepted as being of a dual prophetic nature.

Dan, 8:13,14 [NASB]:-

...13) Then I heard a holy one speaking, and another holy one said to that particular one who was speaking, " How long will the vision about the regular sacrifice apply, while the transgression causes horror, so as to allow both the holy place and the host to be trampled?" 14) And he said to me, " For 2300 evenings and mornings; then the holy place will be properly restored."

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  • Thanks for the contribution Olde +1. All seems to agree that it's talking about a figuratively language, Gina as you that lean at a fulfillment 70 A.D of the times sequence while to other also see it as being figurative. From when in 2015 do you count the 2300 Days of Daniel 8:14? Jul 30 at 10:41
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    Thank you for the upvote. I will have to get back to you regarding not one but two aspects of your comment here, as I've stayed up way past my bed time, it now being 5:34 in the morning here in Colorado, USA. Jul 30 at 11:35
  • @DanielDahlberg-Although I am of the belief that the "Great Tribulation" was a 1st Cent. happening, that does not mean that there won't still be some kind of tribulation, to involve a certain "Man of Lawlessness" (a deluding "Demagogue", much like that of a Donald Trump quite frankly, see 2 Thess, 2:1-12) to precede the time of the "Second Advent", leading into ARMAGEDDON, which will admittedly involve many more people and therefore be on a much bigger scale... When Jesus talked to his disciples on the "Mount of Olives", not long before his death, and warned them of the coming...tbc... Jul 30 at 15:43
  • ...TRIBULATION, which was to be GREAT, he said that, same would come in their life times and before all the Jewish generation of that time had passed away. Within the next 40 years, the full 'horror' of that prophecy came true.... As for the 2300 days, which may well in corporate the last 1335 days (see Dan, 12:12), there obviously could be a number of starting points. If taken from the last blood red moon of 2015, we are talking 1st week of Jan, 2022, for the end. If, however, I and many others (not of this site) are correct in assuming DT could be the M of L, then the end could be ...tbc... Jul 30 at 16:05
  • ...as early as 10/02/21, that being 2300 days from his infamous escalator ride of 06/16/2015, when he announced his candidacy for PRESIDENT. One could of course assume the starting point to be that of 11/08/2016, when he actually won the Presidency, against all odds, or even take from 01/20/2017, when he actually became President. When DT's actual Presidency was over, I had discounted this theory, but as we all know, or indeed should know, he is still very much DELUDING and therefore still very much RELEVANT. No 'normal' person should be able to wield such 'belligerent' power, should they??? Jul 30 at 16:27
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I found this german translation of what is to come, pictured within the apocalyptic writing in figurative ways. I wrote it myself, I have not english translation.

Die Finanzelite verspricht sieben Menschengruppen etwas, so sie überleben: Ephesus darf seinen Genpool in alle Zeit erhalten, da dieser rein gehalten wurde. Smyrna Priesterschaft darf entscheiden, wer leben darf. Sie wissen darum, dass es kein letztes Gericht gibt, da Gott erfunden worden ist. Sie werden ihres Reichtums wegen angehimmelt, leben aber in Armut. Sie fürchten die falschen Juden nicht, auch nicht Schauprozesse, die sie unbeschadet überstehen werden. Pergamum wird geheime Technologie anvertraut und arbeitet im Geheimen als Agent, konsumiert gerne, hat ein einfaches Gemüt, kennt kein Mitgefühl. Tyatira wird als Polizei gekennzeichnet, darf mit einem eisernen Stock die Nationen züchtigen. Sie haben einer Prophetin erlaubt, sexuell Unmoralisches zu promoten und haben Fleisch gegessen. Sardis wird sich in Unschuld waschen dürfen und das Geschlecht wird ewig fortgepflanzt werden. Sie werden ermahnt, vorsichtig zu sein und sich zu vermehren. Philadelphia wird eine tragende Staatsmacht werden, wird die neuen Gesetze schreiben für die Zeit nach dem Krieg und eine neue Religion. Sie werden erinnert, sich nicht vom Thron stossen zu lassen. Laodicea darf die Börse beherrschen, wird ermahnt, den Wert des Geldes selber zu bestimmen, um reich zu werden und sich frei kaufen zu können von etwaiger Schuld. Sie werden in alle Geheimnisse eingeweiht.

Weltweit (in allen vier Windrichtungen und in jeder der 24 Stunden des Tages) werden 7 Szenarien von der Finanzelite ausgelöst werden.

Es wird alles vorab angekündigt.

Als sich die Finanzelite der Schriftrolle (Medien) bemächtigen, werden sie von allen Elementen der Erde und von vielen Advokaten und von Menschenmassen angehimmelt.

Da trifft ein weisser Ritter zuerst Einzelne mit einem Pfeil,

dann stiftet ein Ritter mit Worten Unfrieden,

dann verteuert ein Ritter Nahrung, belässt aber Öl für Licht und Wein billig,

dann stirbt 1/4 der Erde durch Worte, Hunger und Biester.

Die Kirche mault auf, darf die Hände in Unschuld waschen, soll abwarten, bis das Martyrium der Erdbevölkerung zu Ende sein wird.

Erdbeben, schwarze Sonne und roter Mond folgen, Sterne fallen, der Himmel verschwindet, jeder Berg, jede Insel bewegt sich, die Menschen fliehen in die Höhlen in den Bergen, die Überlebenden bitten, von Bergen und Felsen erschlagen zu werden, damit die Schergen der Finanzelite sie nicht erhaschen würden.

144 000 von 12 verschiedenen hebräischen Stämmen (Gen-Gruppen?) erhalten je einen Ausweis.

Viele wenden sich, den Sieg fordernd, Gott zu, da mit weissem Blut befleckt, das im Durcheinander von der Finanzelite verändert wurde.

Das letzte Siegel kündigt sieben Verkündigungen an.

Der Himmel kommt zum Stillstand für eine halbe Zeit. 7 Advokaten werden gebrieft. Der 8. Advokat nimmt ein teures Werkzeug, wirft Feuer auf die Erde. Es folgen Donner, Getöse, Blitze und ein Erdbeben. Als der 8. Advokat die Erde verwüstet hat, beginnen die 7 Advokaten zu befehlen, wie angekündigt worden ist.

  1. Hagel und Feuer, mit Blut vermischt kommen auf die Erde, verbrennen 1/3 von den Bäumen und dem grünen Gras.

  2. Ein grosser Berg, brennend, fällt vom Himmel in den Ozean, 1/3 der Meereskreaturen und 1/3 der Schiffe auf See zerstörend.

  3. Ein grosser Stern namens Durchwurmtes Holz fällt vom Himmel und vergiftet 1/3 der Flüsse und Quellen. (Wer an den Planeten Nibiru ran will, soll wenigstens zu Gill Broussard gehen, sich zu verirren ...)

  4. 1/3 der Sonne, des Mondes und der Sterne wird Dunkel und kreieren vollkommene Dunkelheit während 1/3 vom Tag und der Nacht.

  5. Das 1. Klagen, ein Stern fällt vom Himmel, erhält den Schlüssel zum bodenlosen Loch, er öffnet dieses bodenlose Loch, und wie er das macht, kommt Rauch aus dessen Tiefe, wie von einem gigantischen Ofen, die Sonne und der Himmel verdunkeln sich. Der Rauch enthält Heuschrecken, die die Kraft von Skorpionen haben (Staatsangestellte mit Spritzen?) und angewiesen sind, niemanden und nichts Wachsendes zu verletzen noch deren Sachen, ausser die, die kein Siegel des Herrschers auf der Stirn tragen (KEINEN AUSWEIS haben?). Sie sollen die (ohne Ausweis) nicht töten, sondern 5 Monate foltern. Es soll sich wie der Stich eines Skorpions anfühlen. Diese Heuschrecken (=Vernichter von Ernten/des Menschen Nahrung) scharren wie Pferde, die zum Krieg gerüstet sind (sie sind aufgeregt) sie tragen Kronen aus Gold (haben die Regierungshoheit), sie haben Menschengesichter (können Informationen aufnehmen, wie ein Mensch) sie haben Haare, wie die Frauen (kommen mit bezirzenden Attributen daher) sie haben Zähne, wie Löwen (gefährlich, wie ein Löwe mit seinem Gebiss) sie haben eiserne Brustplatten (für den Krieg gerüstet) sie haben Flügel, die tönen wie das Donnern von vielen Pferden mit ihren Wagen, die in den Krieg ziehen (kommen in grosser Anzahl daher)

  6. Dekret/Verkündigung/Anordnung: Das 2. Klagen: Vier Nachrichtenbringer (ein Spezialist pro Weltregion) lassen ihre Krieger los, wie angekündigt 1/3 der Menschheit zu töten. Sie haben die Herrschaft darüber, wer im Totenfeuer endet. Die Armeen haben Brustplatten in Rot, Blau und Gelb, töten 1/3 der Menschheit mit Plagen von Feuer (rot), Rauch (blau) und Schwefel (gelb). Diese Halbmenschen (halb Pferd, halb Mensch) haben die Autorität, zu befehlen. Diese Kentauren haben einen Schwanz wie eine Schlange, die einen Kopf hat, womit sie andere schädigen.

Der Teil der Menschheit, der die Plagen überlebt, bereut die Taten nicht, die sie für Geld begangen haben. Sie bereuen ihre Morde nicht, noch ihre Hexengebräue, das Herumhuren, das Stehlen.

  1. Ein Advokat tritt an, öffnet ein kleines Buch. Er hat einen Fuss im Meer (= dem Volk, Wasser ist in der Bibel immer die Vielzahl der Menschen) und einen Fuss auf dem Land (der Materie, den Ländereien). Beim Aufschrei (beim Startzeichen?) dieses Advokaten vermelden 7 Gewalten (= mentale Grösse, da in der Geometrie 7-Eck nicht mehr konstruierbar) etwas, das vorerst ein Geheimnis bleiben soll (Verwirrspiel?).

John muss dieses Büchlein essen, das süss wie Honig im Mund ist (das mit beschönigenden Worten beworben wird), aber im Magen bitter wird (aber bitter im Magen zu liegen kommt).

John soll vielen Menschen, Nationen, Sprachen und Währungen vorhersagen.

John erhält einen Massstab, neue Regeln des Herrschens zu bestimmen, den Altar (die sichere Zone) zu bestimme und die, die dort Anbetungen (Aufenthalt) machen dürfen. Ausserhalb der sicheren Zone der Finanzelite, wo die Normalbürger/Nichtjuden sind, soll John nichts bemessen, weil dort die Normalbürger sich gegenseitig zertrampeln sollen für 42 Monate = 3 ½ Jahre.

2 Zeugen (Spezialisten der einen, wie der anderen Seite) in Sacktuch gekleidet (schlecht ausstaffiert) prophezeien (sagen voraus, was kommen wird) für 1260 Tage = 3 ½ Jahre.

Wenn die Zeugen fertig sind mit dem Vorhersagen, werden sie bekämpft von denen, die durch sie Tote zu beklagen haben. Die 2 Zeugen liegen in den Strassen der Stadt. Einige Menschen, Sippen, Nationen und Sprachen sehen die toten Körper der 2 Zeugen für 3 ½ Tage und tun nichts, sie zu begraben. Die Überlebenden feiern, senden sich gegenseitig Geschenke.

Nach 3 ½ Tagen kam Leben in die toten Körper der Zeugen, die Überlebenden fürchteten sie, so sie diesen gewahr wurden.

Die Zeugen wurden in den Himmel erhoben (wurden zu Helden erklärt).

1/10 der Zivilisationsgüter wird durch ein Erdbeben (HAARP?) zerstört. 7000 Menschen sterben, der Rest hat nun Furcht vor den Herrschern.

Die Herrscher herrschen zornig, bestimmen die Zeit des Todes der Menschen.

Die Herrscher belohnen die Sklaven, die vorhersagen (die Medien) und die Auserwählten (die Verschonten?).

  1. Das 7. Dekret eröffnet das 2. (nochmal) Wehklagen und führt in die 7 Schalen: Der Tempel Gottes im Himmel erscheint (man sieht die Herrscher, die über allem stehen), die Bundeslade ist sichtbar (die Gesetze sind jedem ersichtlich).

(Hinweis: Die Bundeslade ist im Tempel an einem der Bevölkerung unzugänglichen Ort, wo nur der Priester einmal im Jahr Zugang hat.)

Blitze, Geräusche, Donner (Machtausübung von Oben erfolgt), ein Erdbeben und grosser Hagel (ein Naturereignis erschüttert und Hagel zerstört).

Eine Jungfrau hat die Sonne hinter sich, den Mond zu Füssen, auf dem Kopf eine Krone aus 12 Sternen. Sie ist schwanger mit einem Sohn/einer Idee.

(Hinweis: Sohn = Kopfgeburt, weil Denken der Sonne untergeordnet wird, die gerichtete Strahlen hat, analog dem Linearen des Denkens. Der Mond entspricht der Frau, die jeden Monat blutet und aufgrund der Pflege der Kinder bei den Emotionen verortet wird, welche für Beziehungsgeschehen stehen. Die Sonne verleiht Tatendrang, der Schein des vollen Mondes verhindert optimale Nachtruhe. Oft verleitet der Vollmond zu vermehrter Emotionalität.

Die Jungfrau, der Mond und die 12 Sterne (Sternbild Löwe?) werden oft im Himmel verortet. Oft schon wurde diese Konstellation für einen bestimmten Tag vorhergesagt.)

Die UN mit den G7 Nationen in den 10 Weltregionen operierend schleppt 1/3 der Sterne vom Himmel und wirft diese auf die Erde.

Die UN warten auf eine Erfindung, von Oben diktiert, um sie zu benutzen.

Als die Erfindung Gestalt annimmt, verpassen die UN die Nutzung, weil sie sich innerhalb der beteiligten Nationen nicht einig sind. So entflieht die Erfindung dem Zugriff der UN wegen dem Durcheinander für 1260 Tage = 3 ½ Jahre.

Die Erfindung wird mit Ideen von der Finanzelite gefüttert.

Wegen der Erfindung bricht Krieg aus zwischen der alten Schlange, dem Teufel und Satan (UN) und dem Erzengel Michael (den Naturgesetzen? den Gutmenschen?). Nach einem harten Kampf verlieren die UN und deren Advokaten die Glaubhaftigkeit, was die Menschheit erfreut. Die UN wollen die Erfindung weiter verfolgen, aber die Erfindung erhält Hilfe, den UN zu entkommen. Das erzürnt die UN und verleitet sie, Krieg zu führen gegen alle Weiterentwicklungen der Erfindung, welche sich an die Naturgesetze halten und von Jesus/Gutwillen abgesegnet sind.

(Hinweis: In der Bibel ist im Alten Testament nur der rächende Gott zu finden, im Neuen Testament tritt mit Jesus die Nächstenliebe/Gutwillen auf den Plan.)

Die menschengemachte Kirchenobrigkeit/der Weltkirchenbund und die G7 Nationen, die die Natur verspotten, haben in 10 Weltregionen den Fuss drin, darin 10 Jurisdiktionen haltend und 1 tödlich verwundeten Think Tank, der sich wieder erholt, während die Menschen sich zwar wundern, aber trotzdem den Glauben an die Kirchenobrigkeit nicht verlieren.

(Hinweis: Die Zahl 10 kann auch für ALLES stehen, da die Zahl 10 in der Symbolik diese Bedeutung hat.) Die UN garantieren der Kirche Macht und Autorität für 42 Monate = 3 ½ Jahre.

Die Kirchenobrigkeit/der Vatikan/derWeltkirchenbund beschmutzt die Schöpfung, wie auch das Kleinod der Fortpflanzung (= Tabernakel), die Natur und die kosmischen Gesetze.

Es kommt ein Ersatz für die UN mit 2 Lamm-Hörnern, das aber wie die UN spricht. Der Ersatz der UN dirigiert die Leute, sich ein Bild der Kirchenobrigkeit/des Vatikans/Weltkirchenbundes/der Religion zu machen, das verwundet war, aber noch lebt, indem es ihm Leben einhaucht. Der Ersatz forciert die Leute, mit dem Wissen zu leben, dem Mark des Biestes, 666.

Das Lamm/der Geopferte steht auf dem Berg Zion (in Jerusalem Stadt) mit den 144 000 Auserwählten/Geheilten, die dem Lamm nacheifern, da sie den Gesang (die Losung?) der Obrigkeit erhalten haben.

Advokaten verkünden Nachrichten.

  1. Advokat wie der Sohn des Menschen erntet die Erde. Der 2. Advokat erntet den Wein der Erde und wirft ihn in die grosse Weinpresse des Zorns der Naturkräfte, wo Blut herauskommt, 1600 Stadien füllend.

(Hinweis: 1600 Stadien = 290 km, so lang wie Israel in etwa ist.)

Das Kleinod der Fortpflanzung (= Tabernakel), die Naturgesetzlichkeit ist überworfen und initiiert 7 Leiden.

7 Advokaten erhalten teure Leiden, die in Anwendung gebracht werden können. Sie stammen von 4 Elementen und enthalten den Zorn der Natur.

  1. Leiden: Ein fauler, böswilliger Hals befällt die Follower der Kirchen.
  2. Leiden: Die Menschenmassen bluten und alles stirbt.
  3. Leiden: Alles frische Wasser wird zu Blut.
  4. Leiden: Die Sonne verbrennt die Erde mit intensiver Hitze und verbrennt Menschen mit Feuer.
  5. Leiden: Totale Dunkelheit und Schmerzen im Reich der Kirchen.
  6. Leiden: Der grosse Fluss Euphrates ist ausgetrocknet

Es werden Vorbereitungen getroffen von Königen des Ostens für die letzte Schlacht Armageddon zwischen den Kräften des Guten und Bösen.

  1. Leiden: Ein grosses Erdbeben und schwerer Hagelsturm. Inseln verschwanden und die Berge sah man nicht mehr. John hat eine Vision von einem Advokaten mit einem applizierbaren Leiden: Die grosse Hure Babylon sitzt auf den UN (mit 7 Think Tanks/den G7) in 10 Nationen/Regionen, mit naturverspottenden Namen übersät neben vielen Menschen, der Zivilisation, dem Grossen Babylon.

Der Advokat, der John die Bilder der Hure von Babylon/der Zivilisation und der Kirchenobrigkeit/dem Vatikan/den UN zeigt, eröffnet ihm ihre Identitäten und Schicksale.

Die neue Zivilisation ist zerstört. Die Leute auf der Erde, die Könige, Händler, Segler etc. trauern über die Zerstörung der neuen Zivilisation.

Die Dauerhaftigkeit der Zerstörung des Neuen Babylons: Das Hochzeits-Essen des Lamms: Eine grosse Menge verehrt die Naturgesetzlichkeit.

Das Gerichthalten über das Biest aus dem Meer, dem Biest vom Land, dem Drachen der Kirchenobrigkeit/des Vatikans/den UN und der Toten: Die Biester und die falschen Propheten werden in einen Feuersee geworfen. Die UN wird gefangengesetzt im bodenlosen Loch für 1000 Jahre. Die wiederauferstandenen Märtyrer regieren mit Christus für 1000 Jahre.

Nach den 1000 Jahren: Die UN gehen in alle 4 Windrichtungen, um die Menschheit zu täuschen – Gog and Magog – und versammeln die Menschheit für einen Kampf in der heiligen Stadt. Die UN bekriegen die Menschen von Christus, werden aber zurückgeschlagen. Die UN werden in den See aus Feuer geworfen, wo schon die Biester sind und die falschen Propheten.

Das letzte Gericht: Die Verrückten, zusammen mit dem Tod und der Hölle werden in den See aus Feuer geworfen, ihrem zweiten Tod.

Der neue Himmel, die neue Erde und das neue Jerusalem: Der neue Himmel und die neue Erde ersetzen den alten Himmel und die alte Erde. Es gibt kein Leiden mehr und keinen Tod. Gott kommt, um unter den Menschen zu sein im neuen Jerusalem.

Beschreibung vom Neuen Jerusalem: Der Fluss des Lebens und der Baum des Lebens erscheinen für die Heilung der Nationen und Menschen. Der Fluch der Sünde hat geendet. Am Wortlaut der Apokalypse darf bei Strafe nichts verändert werden. Wer von dieser Prophezeiung hört, soll sich auf den Weg machen. Das Wohlwollen ist auf der Seite der 144 000.

Hier endet die Apokalypse. Wer die King James Bibel vorliegen hat, liest ein Durcheinander von unklaren Worten und Sätze, die Nichts meinen. Die ISR Bibel ist klarer. Sie verwendet die naheliegendste Übersetzung, womit oft Begriffe zu lesen sind, die in der King James Bibel fehlen, weil dort der Versuch unternommen wurde, die Bibel für die Masse zu übersetzen und daher gleichzeitig Vorkehrungen getroffen werden mussten, den Text zu verunstalten, damit die Masse keinen Nutzen von ihr zöge. Es wird nicht ausdrücklich gesagt, Christus würde wiederkommen. Jedoch heisst es, man müsse wachsam sein, die Zeichen zu lesen.

Vigilantibus non dormientibus Jura subveniunt aus Broom`s Maximes of Law 1845 bestätigt, dass die Gesetze den Wachsamen dienen, nicht den Schlafenden. In order to claim one's right, he/she must be watchful of his/her right.

Neben den Bezügen zu Corona, die einem in der Apokalypse jetzt auffallen, gibt es die Tatsache, dass die Elite Wissen über lange Zeiträume retten wollte, diese also in ihre Schriften gesetzt und in Architektur verewigt hat.

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I feel I need to provide another outline for consideration. However this outline contradicts, and confronts the several others already posted at this time, so may receive some pushback.

Revelation 11:2 is describing a literal event. But, within this, the ‘measuring’ is using figurative language/scenario to convey something that is part of the ‘literal’ scene being witnessed.

The vision is outlining that the ‘use’ of the (inner) temple will need to comply with Torah. That is, the ‘workings’ of the temple, the way it is to be used, will need to be ‘measured’ (made to fit, comply with) what is outlined in Torah -

DANIEL 5:27 Tekel, you have been weighed in the balances and found wanting;

Here we ‘see’ an example of how the Old Testament uses measuring ‘terms’ to describe behaviour, or ‘practices’. So the ‘use’ of ‘measuring’ terminology is commonly used to ‘measure’ behaviour, in this case ‘temple practice’. The Temple will operate ‘by the book’ so to speak. Revelation is essentially a book written from a Hebraic perspective - and utilises ‘Old Testament’ ‘thinking’ - so it needs to be interpreted from this perspective.

But, the temple itself is (will be) literal. So the passage in Revelation 11:2 is describing a literal situation. There will be a [3rd] temple built. And the outside court will not be, or rather is specifically specified not to be considered.

One passage assumed those (like myself) who hold to this ‘third temple’ view that it relates to that (again literal!) temple outlined in Ezekiel 40/41, but that temple is (will be) the Millennium temple. (It’s far too large to fit on the current temple mound!)

Let’s look at some foundational ‘views’ that sûpport this ‘literal’ interpretation.

Jesus in his first visit …

LUKE 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he has anointed me to proclaim good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim liberty to the captives and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty those who are oppressed, 19 to proclaim the year of the Lord's favor.”

But he failed to read the concluding passage!

ISAIAH 61:2 to proclaim the year of the Lord's favor, and the day of vengeance of our God, to comfort all who mourn;

Revelation is about this part Jesus did not quote in Luke 4 - because that part did not (yet) fulfil on his first coming. And to fulfil this ….. he needs Israel. This statement will meet pushback from some, but it is an alternative view that some have - hence I’m outlining this for consideration.

This period (Revelation) is all about Israel. Revelation is about setting up for - and then describing Daniels 70th week.

The ‘end times’ is about Jesus, as Messiah, representing Israel (once they repent and accept him - which the Tribulation will drive them to do!) - [righteously] defeating the [literal and. Multiple] spiritual entities behind evil - who will be ‘using’ the nations as their means.

DANIEL 9:24 ”Seventy weeks are decreed about your people and your holy city,

A Holy city needs a sanctuary. A Temple. And a Messiah! But, Israel rejected the/their Messiah.

DANIEL 9:26 And after the sixty-two weeks, an anointed one shall be cut off and shall have nothing. And the people of the prince who is to come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary.

This is arguably a poor translation. Young’s gets closer to the correct. The Messiah is cut of from his people. Stop. The ‘70’ weeks stops after 69. And this results in the temple shortly after being destroyed. But for the 70th week to restart, continue and thenbe completed, it (the Temple) will have to be rebuilt first!

He Dead Sea scrolls help with some understanding of ‘ages’ and ‘times. But, that to one side, let’s stay with scripture…

LUKE 21:24 They will fall by the edge of the sword and be led captive among all nations, and Jerusalem will be trampled underfoot by the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.

Luke 21 compliments Matthew 24, Jesus talking about the times of the end. The Gentiles have a ‘set’ amount of time. Some (unfortunately) loosely term this ‘the age of Grace’. Nevertheless an (set/literal) amount of ‘time’ has been ‘given’ to the nations (aka Gentiles) - and they will trample the Temple court’s until that time is over - then the 70th week can finally complete.

Yes - Revelation 11:2 is quite literal. Time will tell!!!

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  • I'm sorry Dave, but I have to push back on this. IMO, it is full of misconceptions. It's a downvote from me, but at least not an anonymous one. Jul 30 at 23:02
  • @Olde English Thanks! appreciate the accompanying comment! As alluded to in the outline, I expected (negative) reaction. But - Am curious about what you are calling misconceptions, but you don’t have to continue this line if you don’t want to. Cheers!
    – Dave
    Jul 30 at 23:09
  • I'm sorry, again, Dave but I've been on this particular Q. and A. not to mention C. for the best part of the last 16 hours and only got 3 hours sleep last night. I think, however, I mentioned something to you before, regarding the '70 weeks' prophecy at least, if I'm not mistaken. Jul 30 at 23:28
  • @Olde English Ahhh, I now ‘see’ where your coming from. I had read the other answers, but hadn’t until now noted the authors - we simply aren’t going to see eye to eye, at all, so let’s leave this. (LOL - you suggested my contribution is ‘full of misconceptions’ - so are you claiming yours isn’t? :-))
    – Dave
    Jul 31 at 1:13
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    @Olde English Appreciate your follow up. Comments, apart from clarifying or answering Qs, are not really an ideal means to engage in argument/debate - and besides, we all know that these eschatological ‘debates’ won’t change minds, but only ‘raise temperatures’. Your view has support here - mine was put up fully knowing it countered these (and attract pushback) - but nevertheless ‘readers’ should be made aware that there are other viewpoints, and get a ‘glimpse’ of them. Much as I would love to respond and ‘straighten out’ those points you raised, probably best to leave it here. Cheers!
    – Dave
    Jul 31 at 19:31
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Research into Revelation 11:2 literal or figurative? is better understood if one accesses the Siener Van Rensburg - documents/visions (aka Krausa document); please Google 'Siener van Rensburg' for better detail otherwise read on my brief synopsis.

Briefly, Siener van Renburg, made famous during the Anglo-Boer War 1899-1901, a layman preacher/dominee who served alongside General De La Rey, the Afrikaners (+-80 000) were up against Imperial Britain (+-480 000). Siener via his vision, as the war, started informed the Afrikaners that they would lose the war and their women and children were to be incarcerated into camps (the World's first Concentration Camps before the German Death camps of WW2).

Siener's study of the Bible drew so much ire (the British were supposed to thrash the Boers in 6 months, instead it went on till 1901 exhausting Britain/England) from the British that after the Anglo-Boer War they held 2 formal committee reviews (1 - Military, 2 - Legal) into the guy Siener van Rensburg. The aim of the committees was to 'trash' him or show him as a phony who led the General de la Rey on via deception/intrigue, and not via his Biblical knowledge which was applied practically to the battlefield too. To those that have read this far, a juicy titbit, while in court the English judge "forbade him to have any visions" to which he replied "but I can't I'm having one now . . . my son is dead", the judge annoyed, was interrupted by a court messenger that delivered to the judge a note, the judge ripped open the note and read out allowed "your son has died". Thus was Siener's power of Gospel/Biblical facts and insight, all provided by God for your study/review.

Now, briefly, Siener (whom I studied diligently 2016 - till now), attributed his visions to the Christian God, he read (just get this), only the Bible (New & Old Testament), yet he was able to interpret all Biblical events, not only that, he is able to predict the coming of WW3 (UK will swap sides (Brexit is now) and join Russia just before WW3 starts). Every vision he had, related to the Biblical events, and those in Revelations, actually happened (he provided insight into the plagues - too much to add here in this short synopsis), such that the famous Revelation 11:3–12 is a description of two individuals, these two are in fact Pope Benedict and Pope Francis, who represent the Church on Earth, both will be captured during WW3 (by Russia-UK), executed/martyred and after 3.5 years, once the Axis forces are driven back, the Church will be restored (both come to life and are taken up to heaven before all mankind).

Thus Revelation 11:2 is more literal, though if one cannot fit the pattern(which Siener did), then it, Revelation 11:2 becomes figurative.

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  • If this is your first posting to this site, then I'm sorry that I have to downvote same. This is bordering on exegetical nonsense. Please take the time to check out what this site is all about, under our 'Code of Conduct', if you still feel inclined to post again that is. In my first post, I also stumbled right at the "get go'. Jul 30 at 23:11
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