1

I'm not sure if this question has a simple answer or not since I don't read any Hebrew, but when I was reading through Proverbs 22 this morning with my wife, her translation at verse 20 said

Have I not written for you thirty sayings of counsel and knowledge, - ESV

while mine said.

Have I not written to you excellent things Of counsels and knowledge, - NASB '95

I did a quick look with the Blue Letter Bible app of the Hebrew word used here and saw that it could refer to a three-fold measure, and I wondered if that is why some translations use 30 while others use excellent. I've included a sampling of English translations that use both in no particular order.

  • Thirty: NIV, ESV, NLT, RSV, CSB
  • Excellent: NASB, NASB '95, KJV, NKJV, ASV, AMP

I looked at the Septuagint, and I noticed there is a word τρισσῶς that has no Strong's number and could be modifying βουλὴν which here means counsel. Forgive me; my Greek is very rusty.

This also may have nothing to do with this, but in an English Greek interlinear Septuagint, I noticed that there is a note that verse 6 is probably not original, so maybe this is an indication that other manuscript issues are contributing to the widely different English translations.

I also recognize that it is probably just because the Hebrew word has a different and wider semantic domain than its English counterpart.

Addendum

Before posting, I noticed that this question addresses the same verse but, in my opinion, is different from what I'm asking. The first answer with two upvotes, however, does provide some information related to my question. I believe the second answer with one upvote more closely addresses the question I am asking. The question above has no accepted answer yet, so I thought maybe I could ask mine here as a separate question.

1

The word "thirty" is not in the MT or the LXX of Proverbs 22:20.

In Proverbs 22, NIV has a section title "Thirty Sayings of the Wise".

Saying 1 starts in Proverbs 22:17.
Saying 2 starts in Proverbs 22:22.
...
Saying 30 ends in the last verse of Proverbs 24.

https://biblehub.com/commentaries/proverbs/22-20.htm

Cambridge Bible explains the LXX translation:

  1. excellent things] The word has been thought to denote the chief of the three persons who formed the complement of an ancient war-chariot, and so to mean principal or excellent. In Proverbs 8:6 “excellent things” are literally princely things or words. The LXX. and Vulg., however, render the word literally, “thrice,” or “in threefold form,” τρισσῶς, tripliciter, possibly with the idea of reiteration to impress the lesson. Comp. Acts 10:16.

Acts 10:16 This happened three times, and immediately the sheet was taken back to heaven.

Some versions translate it as “excellent things” and some as “thirty sayings”. Furthermore, Young's Literal Translation and others translate it as

Have I not written to thee three times With counsels and knowledge?

Why does Proverb 22:20 say “thirty sayings” in some translations and “excellent things” in others?

Yes, this is a messy verse to translate. The "excellent" part comes from a nuance of the Greek τρισσῶς. The "thirty" part comes from interpreting the verse as part of the 30 sayings that span from Chapters 22 to 24.

4
  • So I guess that in a sense neither "thirty" nor "excellent" are better English renderings? They both have merits. The only issue would come if someone was reading the verse by itself without the greater context extending to Proverbs 24. – WnGatRC456 Mar 30 at 14:55
  • 1
    Agreed. NIV tends to interpret a bit more than other versions. – Tony Chan Mar 30 at 14:58
  • Thank you. This helps pull everything together for a better understanding of the authorial intent. I will accept this answer shortly. – WnGatRC456 Mar 30 at 15:01
  • Glad to be of service. – Tony Chan Mar 30 at 15:04

Your Answer

By clicking “Post Your Answer”, you agree to our terms of service, privacy policy and cookie policy

Not the answer you're looking for? Browse other questions tagged or ask your own question.