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Luke 24:36-39 (NASB):

36 Now while they were telling these things, Jesus Himself suddenly stood in their midst and *said to them, “Peace be to you.” 37 But they were startled and frightened, and thought that they were looking at a spirit. 38 And He said to them, “Why are you frightened, and why are doubts arising in your hearts? 39 See My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself; touch Me and see, because a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you plainly see that I have.”

Matthew 14:26-27 (NASB):

26 When the disciples saw Him walking on the sea, they were terrified, and said, “It is a ghost!” And they cried out in fear. 27 But immediately Jesus spoke to them, saying, “Take courage, it is I; do not be afraid.”

In light of these passages, can we conclude that Jesus was aware of the commonplace belief in ghosts / disembodied spirits among people at the time, and since he never corrected his disciples for believing in them, that he himself also believed in the existence of ghosts / disembodied spirits? If the answer is yes, then what are the implications for the (disembodied) spirit of a human being when it leaves the body upon death?


(*) Bonus question for the interested reader

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  • The NASB’s translation of phantasma as ‘ghost’ isn’t helpful. The word ‘ ‘Ghost’ is inviting the imagination to take part in understanding this verse. ‘Spirit’ would/is a more helpful translation. Surely your not asking whether Jesus believed in spirits?
    – Dave
    Mar 8, 2021 at 23:30
  • @Dave - disembodied spirits. The lack of a physical body is key in my question.
    – user38524
    Mar 8, 2021 at 23:40
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    The two verse you quote appear to support the DISCIPLES' belief in ghosts and disembodies spirits of the dead, but not Jesus'.
    – Dottard
    Jan 15, 2022 at 23:33

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Did Jesus believe disembodied spirits existed?

Yes.

When Jesus cast the devils into a herd of swine the devils left one body and went to other bodies.

From Mark 5:

For he said unto him, Come out of the man, thou unclean spirit. (verse 8)

And he besought him much that he would not send them away out of the country. (verse 10)

And forthwith Jesus gave them leave. And the unclean spirits went out, and entered into the swine: (verse 13)

This means:

  1. The devils were temporarily disembodied
  2. Jesus didn't have to let them go into the swine, which would have left them disembodied (which presumably was the result after the pigs died)

Moderately humorous aside: if He didn't believe in spirits I would think He would have said something like "I'm not a disembodied spirit since those aren't real, o ye of little faith", instead of "a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you plainly see that I have."

Implications for after death:

Assuming that Jesus has acknowledged that disembodied spirits exist by saying "a spirit does not have flesh and bones", I think we can read two relevant implications into the passage:

  1. The apostles saw Jesus--whom they knew had died--and their immediate reaction was to believe He was a spirit. This knee-jerk response tells us something about the apostles' worldview: the spirits of the deceased can appear. (meaning the dead have a spirit and it is not dormant--I explored this concept in greater detail here)

  2. Jesus immediately tells them He is not (merely) a spirit--either because:

    a. He knew that's what the apostles would think given their worldview (see #1)

    b. He knew that appearances of spirits of the deceased was a real thing and wanted to make sure the apostles knew that's not what this was--it was something way better!

    c. both

Conclusion

The apostles' reaction tells us about their worldview, and Jesus' response appears to confirm that the apostles' worldview was valid. Although this does not tell us where the spirits of the dead go, it tells us that they do not cease to exist.

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    A disembodied spirit refers to a formerly living human. Your answer refers to demon fallen angels that possessed a human,then were cast out and possessed swine. These demons were never human. We’re not created with bodies.
    – Kris
    Mar 9, 2021 at 0:47
  • @HoldToTheRod - I temporarily removed the check mark due to the bounty I just started, and depending on the answers that will be posted, the check mark might (or might not) return within a week.
    – user38524
    Jan 15, 2022 at 13:49
  • @SpiritRealmInvestigator thanks for the heads up, makes sense. I'm sensing a theme to your recent questions =) Jan 15, 2022 at 18:19
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    @HoldToTheRod - Answers that explicitly state the logic they follow are refreshing to read. Great answer!
    – user38524
    Jan 15, 2022 at 18:34
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    Another great answer. 🙏🍀 Notwithstanding Kris’ reserve, although I can guess as to your response there. 😉
    – user36337
    Jan 16, 2022 at 7:26
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There are four important points here:

1. Spirit Beings do not have Bodies but can inhabit them

Spirit beings include:

  • God the Father (John 4:24, 2 Cor 3:18) and the Holy Spirit
  • The angels of heaven (Heb 1:14)
  • Fallen angels or demons (Rev 16:14, Matt 12:28, 1 Tim 4:1, etc)

There are a number of places where such spirits have temporarily assumed a human form/bodies such as Gen 18 & 19 (both the LORD and 2 angels), John 1:32, Mark 1:10 (Holy Spirit); or inhabited a human or animal Mark 9:20, 25 (demon spirit in a boy), Luke 8 & Mark 5 (demons in pigs).

2. Human beings and animals appear to be a body plus the breath of life

Gen 2:7 - Then the LORD God formed man from the dust of the ground and breathed the breath of life into his nostrils, and the man became a living being [literally, "soul"]

Animals have exactly the same constitution, see Gen 1:30, 6:17, 7:15, 22, Job 12:10, etc. For example, Eccl 3:19 -

For the fates of both men and beasts are the same: As one dies, so dies the other—they all have the same breath . Man has no advantage over the animals, since everything is futile.

3. There is no instance of a disembodied spirit of a person in the Bible

There are two possible exceptions to this:

  • The story of the dead "Samuel" the prophet appearing at the behest of a witch from "below". However, this is, according to the story, almost certainly a demon impersonating Samuel.
  • 2 Cor 12:1-4 - Paul's "visions and revelations from the Lord" which he is unable to tell if it was a bodily experience or "out of the body", ie, a vision.

4. Some people in the NT believed in ghosts and disembodied spirits

  • Luke 24:37 - But they were startled and frightened and thought they saw a spirit.
  • Matt 14:26 - When the disciples saw Him walking on the sea, they were terrified. “It’s a ghost!” they said, and cried out in fear.

However, we note that somebody believing in disembodied spirits of humans is about as significant as moderns talking about Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny. That is, a character's belief in something does not make it true.

When Jesus said (Luke 24:39), "a spirit does not have flesh and bones, as you see I have", He obviously spoke the truth. That is, he refers to spirit beings (category #1 above).

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  • Dottard, from your distinction between points 1 and 2, I take it that you understand the nature of the "breath of life" from God to be fundamentally different from the nature of a "spirit being", correct? Relevant question: Is there any fundamental difference between the "spirit" of a human being ("breath of life") and the "spirit" of a disembodied (evil) spirit?
    – user38524
    Jan 16, 2022 at 13:56
  • @SpiritRealmInvestigator - yes, correct.
    – Dottard
    Jan 16, 2022 at 20:58
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    Point #3 is debatable =) - e.g. 1 Peter 3:18-20, 1 Peter 4:6, Isaiah 9:2, Rev 6:9-11 Jan 16, 2022 at 22:44
  • @HoldToTheRod - Thanks for this - the only spirits in prison mentioned in the Bible are those demons imprisoned in the abyss. There is a question on this site about this.
    – Dottard
    Jan 17, 2022 at 0:03
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    @Dottard I know this is a point on which we disagree - just wanted to acknowledge that point 3 makes a strong claim for which counterarguments exist. (you don't find these counterarguments compelling, I do, and that's life on BHSE =) ) Jan 17, 2022 at 0:26
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Yes He did.

Jesus' Teaching Elsewhere

Luke 16:19-31 19 There was a certain rich man, who was clothed in purple and fine linen; and feasted sumptuously every day. 20 And there was a certain beggar, named Lazarus, who lay at his gate, full of sores, 21 Desiring to be filled with the crumbs that fell from the rich man's table, and no one did give him; moreover the dogs came, and licked his sores. 22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom. And the rich man also died: and he was buried in hell. 23 And lifting up his eyes when he was in torments, he saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom: 24 And he cried, and said: Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, to cool my tongue: for I am tormented in this flame. 25 And Abraham said to him: Son, remember that thou didst receive good things in thy lifetime, and likewise Lazareth evil things, but now he is comforted; and thou art tormented. 26 And besides all this, between us and you, there is fixed a great chaos: so that they who would pass from hence to you, cannot, nor from thence come hither. 27 And he said: Then, father, I beseech thee, that thou wouldst send him to my father's house, for I have five brethren, 28 That he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torments. 29 And Abraham said to him: They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them. 30 But he said: No, father Abraham: but if one went to them from the dead, they will repent. 31 And he said to him: If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they believe, if one rise again from the dead.

Clearly there is a spiritual abode where the spirits of the departed can feel and sense in whatever way they do so. Moreover, it is a place of conscious torment. Jesus also assumes that this is common knowledge, since we only know this from inference, and no ado is made about the concept, either in the passage itself, or in church history, where it is also assumed.

Paul/Author of Hebrews

Hebrews 12:22-24 But you are come to mount Zion, and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to the company of many thousands of angels, 23 And to the church of the firstborn, who are written in the heavens, and to God the judge of all, and to the spirits of the righteous made perfect, 24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new testament, and to the sprinkling of blood which speaketh better than that of Abel.

This must refer to the human souls of those yet to be resurrected at the Final Judgement, but who have gone to heaven. So the author, probably Paul via Luke, believes in Christian departed spirits, who are presumably in heaven, with the many thousands of angels, or who are at least in communion with them and dead (for no human is only a spirit, except a deceased one).

The Old Testament

In the Old Testament, we read that the soul of Samuel was summoned, presumably from said abode (presumably the same "Bosom of Abraham"), or at least what we would call "the [place] of the dead" (usually translated "the dead" as in "from the dead"):

1 Samuel 28:3-20 Now Samuel was dead, and all Israel mourned for him, and buried him in Ramatha his city. And Saul had put away all the magicians and soothsayers out of the land. 4 And the Philistines were gathered together, and came and camped in Sunam: and Saul also gathered together all Israel, and came to Gelboe. 5 And Saul saw the army of the Plilistines, and was afraid, and his heart was very much dismayed.

6 And he consulted the Lord, and he answered him not, neither by dreams, nor by priests, nor by prophets. 7 And Saul said to his servants: Seek me a woman that hath a divining spirit, and I will go to her, and inquire by her. And his servants said to him: There is a woman that hath a divining spirit at Endor. 8 Then he disguised himself: and put on other clothes, and he went, and two men with him, and they came to the woman by night, and he said to her: Divine to me by thy divining spirit, and bring me up him whom I shall tell thee. 9 And the woman said to him: Behold thou knowest all that Saul hath done, and how he hath rooted out the magicians and soothsayers from the land: why then dost thou lay a snare for my life, to cause me to be put to death? 10 And Saul swore unto her by the Lord, saying: As the Lord liveth there shall no evil happen to thee for this thing. 11 And the woman said to him: Whom shall I bring up to thee? And he said, Bring me up Samuel. 12 And when the woman saw Samuel, she cried out with a loud voice, and said to Saul: Why hast thou deceived me? for thou art Saul. 13 And the king said to her: Fear not: what hast thou seen? And the woman said to Saul: I saw gods ascending out of the earth. 14 And he said to her: What form is he of? And she said: An old man cometh up, and he is covered with a mantle. And Saul understood that it was Samuel, and he bowed himself with his face to the ground, and adored. 15 And Samuel said to Saul: Why hast thou disturbed my rest, that I should be brought up? And Saul said, I am in great distress: for the Philistines fight against me, and God is departed from me, and would not hear me, neither by the hand of prophets, nor by dreams: therefore I have called thee, that thou mayest shew me what I shall do. 16 And Samuel said: Why askest thou me, seeing the Lord has departed from thee, and is gone over to thy rival: 17 For the Lord will do to thee as he spoke by me, and he will rend thy kingdom out of thy hand, and will give it to thy neighbour David: 18 Because thou didst not obey the voice of the Lord, neither didst thou execute the wrath of his indignation upon Amalec. Therefore hath the Lord done to thee what thou sufferest this day. 19 And the Lord also will deliver Israel with thee into the hands of the Philistines: and to morrow thou and thy sons shall be with me: and the Lord will also deliver the army of Israel into the hands of the Philistines. 20 And forthwith Saul fell all along on the ground, for he was frightened with the words of Samuel, and there was no strength in him, for he had eaten no bread all that day.

So clearly this is no false apparition, and God allowed the soul of Samuel to visit Saul: inasmuch as God can do what He wills with any soul: "Behold, all souls are mine; the soul of the father as well as the soul of the son is mine" (Ezekiel 18:4). This is also proven by the fact that the truth was really revealed to the diviner by the person she saw, namely, Samuel, and that the author of Scripture clearly calls him "Samuel" — "the words of Samuel" and "Samuel said"). And yet Samuel was dead.

John the Revelator

In the book of Revelation we read:

Revelation 6:9-10 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held. And they cried with a loud voice, saying: How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and revenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

Acts of the Apostles

In Acts we read that the souls of the dead go to hell, and are thus, like the spirits of devils, able to be plucked from thence or otherwise make their presence known here on earth (i.e. like devils). We learn this from inference and from the tradition affirmed by the apostles but not otherwise explicit in Scripture, namely that "abandoned to sheol" must refer to a long or indefinite stay in a spiritual abode, because it is used of Jesus, and we know that He went to a spiritual abode called a "prison," presumably the same above spoken of above:

Acts 2:24-32 Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the sorrows of hell, as it was impossible that he should be holden by it. 25 For David saith concerning him: I foresaw the Lord before my face: because he is at my right hand, that I may not be moved. 26 For this my heart hath been glad, and any tongue hath rejoiced: moreover my flesh also shall rest in hope. 27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, nor suffer thy Holy One to see corruption. 28 Thou hast made known to me the ways of life: thou shalt make me full of joy with thy countenance. 29 Ye men, brethren, let me freely speak to you of the patriarch David; that he died, and was buried; and his sepulchre is with us to this present day. 30 Whereas therefore he was a prophet, and knew that God hath sworn to him with an oath, that of the fruit of his loins one should sit upon his throne. 31 Foreseeing this, he spoke of the resurrection of Christ. For neither was he left in hell, neither did his flesh see corruption. 32 This Jesus hath God raised again, whereof all we are witnesses.

As for proof that Jesus was in hell, although not "left" there (where one is has "sorrows"), but to arise three days later from there, we read in Peter's Epistle:

1 Peter 3:18-20 Because Christ also died once for our sins, the just for the unjust: that he might offer us to God, being put to death indeed in the flesh, but enlivened in the spirit, in which also coming he preached to those spirits that were in prison: which had been some time incredulous, when they waited for the patience of God in the days of Noah, when the ark was a building: wherein a few, that is, eight souls, were saved by water.

Of course "hell" here is used of the abode of the dead, and not of the 'hell of the damned' i.e. that region of hell, or that hell where, the damned endure eternal tormet in the "everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels" (Matthew 25:41).

Pre-Christian Jewish Texts

2 Maccabees 15:12-14 Now the vision was in this manner: Onijah who had been high priest, a good and virtuous man, modest in his looks, gentle in his manners, and graceful in his speech, and who from a child was exercised in virtues, holding up his hands, prayed for all the people of the Jews: 13 After this there appeared also another man, admirable for age, and glory, and environed with great beauty and majesty: 14 Then Onias answering, said: This is a lover of his brethren, and of the people of Israel: this is he that prayeth much for the people, and for all the holy city, Jeremiah the prophet of God.

Around 150BC, reliable or at least orthodox tradition of the Jews (2 Maccabees) spoke of deceased prophets praying for the people of God on earth, and their victory in battle against the heathen, as well as a pious yet deceased priest, Onijah. 2 Maccabees is part of the Bible according to most Christians except Protestants (and Jews, who also reject all 27 books of the New Testament), so I chose this instead of some other pre-Christian texts many of which also, presumably, mention the same kind of thing. This quite clearly appears to be a disembodied spirit conscious and active in their concern for the afairs of those on earth (as in Revelation 6:9-10; cf. Hebrews 12:23).

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The Lord Jesus Christ did not believe in anything for the reason of possessing absolute knowledge (“as the Father knows Me, so I know the Father” /John 10:15/). He thus not believed but knew that deceased souls exist, and the God-Logos Himself, after His death and His body put dead in tomb, descended with His created human soul to hell in order to preach the advent of salvation to them (1 Peter 3:19-20). And also He knows all angels and demons, and that angels can visibly appear and demons tangibly oppress people. Another question is whether He meant that the human deceased souls could visibly appear or He was talking in terms of a popular belief to show and emphasize that He was not that type of ghost held in popular beliefs. I guess, Moses’ soul arrived on Mt Tabor in visible form (Elijah was embodied for his death was special, for he was taken “as if to Heaven” together with body) (Luke 9:29). So, yes, at behest and permission of God the dead souls, i.e. disembodied human personalities, can appear visibly, this happening extremely rarely though.

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