For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. John 3:16

Who is this son John speaks of? Surely it is Jesus as he has been discussing him from the beginning of his gospel - 'the logos made flesh'.

Regardless of how a God the Son ‘eternally proceeds’ from the Father, there have been many sons of God - but none who is holy is mentioned until Jesus.

The angel replied, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the Holy One to be born will be called the Son of God. Luke 1:35

God has 'one and only son' per the text - and he, Jesus, came from logos. (John 1:14 … the logos becomes flesh and God has a son!)

We are told nothing about an immortal 'God the Son' becoming flesh (and subsequently dying), so when Jesus appears, there must now be two sons

If we go by scripture, God has a son, Jesus, born of Mary and God's spirit.

Where is God the Son in all this? He isn't the logos, he isn't anywhere to be seen.

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    When Jesus raised Lazarus from the dead, does that mean there are two Lazaruses, one dead and one alive? Lazarus was no longer dead.
    – Perry Webb
    Feb 13 at 12:31
  • Does this answer your question? (John 3:16) Greek: Only Begotten
    – Nigel J
    Feb 13 at 13:24
  • Note that this Related Question What does it mean that Jesus is 'the only Son' ? was declared a duplicate of the above original question.
    – Nigel J
    Feb 13 at 13:27
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    Sorry, but after reading this many times I can't make sense of it. What is the logic that leads there to be two sons? I don't get it.
    – curiousdannii
    Feb 13 at 14:45
  • There's a huge amount of overlap now with this question on Christianity.SE: Did God the Son become flesh? If the main focus is on who "God the Son" is, then this question seems like it really is wanting a theological synthesis for an answer, not an exegetical investigation of just one passage (as it would have to be, as that's not a phrase from anywhere in the Bible).
    – curiousdannii
    Feb 16 at 11:21

The Bible presents a simple sequence to demonstrate the eternal pre-existence of Jesus:

  • Jesus existed with God in heaven and was instrumental in the creation
  • Jesus became human (was incarnated)
  • Jesus died and was resurrected and returned to heaven.

We see this many times in the Bible, especially in the Gospel of John, such as:

  • John 1:1-3 - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through Him all things were made, and without Him nothing was made that has been made.
  • John 1:14 - The Word became flesh and made His dwelling among us. We have seen His glory, the glory of the one and only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.
  • John 1:15 - John testified concerning Him. He cried out, saying, “This is He of whom I said, ‘He who comes after me has surpassed me because He was before me.’ ”
  • John 1:18 - No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is Himself God and is at the Father’s side, has made Him known.
  • John 3:13 - No one has ascended into heaven except the One who descended from heaven—the Son of Man.
  • John 3:16, 17 - For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that everyone who believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through Him. [NOTE - God cannot send someone who does not exist!]
  • John 3:31 - The One [= Jesus] who comes from above is above all. The one who is from the earth belongs to the earth and speaks as one from the earth. The One who comes from heaven is above all.
  • John 8:58 - “Truly, truly, I tell you,” Jesus declared, “before Abraham was [born], I am!"
  • John 17:5 - And now, Father, glorify Me in Your presence with the glory I had with You before the world existed.

The same idea is taught in other places as well.

  • Phil 2:5-8 - Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, existing in the form of God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped, but emptied Himself, taking the form of a servant, being made in human likeness. And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to death— even death on a cross.
  • Col 1:17 - He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.
  • Heb 1:2, 3 - But in these last days He has spoken to us by His Son,a whom He appointed heir of all things, and through whom He made the universe. The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of His nature, upholding all things by His powerful word. After He had provided purification for sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high.
  • 1 Peter 1:20 - He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake.
  • Rev 22:13 - I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.”

We even find this same idea in Messianic prophecies of Jesus -

  • Micah 5:2 - But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, who are small among the clans of Judah, out of you will come forth for Me One to be ruler over Israel— One whose origins are of old, from the days of eternity.

Thus, Jesus always existed, created the universe, was incarnated, died and rose to return to heaven. He certainly could not have been an angel before the incarnation because Heb 1:5 precludes this -

For to which of the angels did God ever say: “You are My Son; today I have become Your Father”? Or again: “I will be His Father, and He will be My Son”?

Further, John 3:16 says that the Father gave the Son, suggesting that Jesus was the Son at the time that God gave Him - when He was sent.

Uncomplicated really!

  • +1 for an uncomplicated answer.
    – Nigel J
    Feb 13 at 13:28
  • Ty, your first point is unfounded, except by eisegesis. The second is bluntly wrong. On that reality, the rest falls over.
    – steveowen
    Feb 13 at 20:11
  • @user48152 - the first points are merely summaries of the quoted texts - which text have I misquoted?
    – Dottard
    Feb 13 at 20:13
  • The whole point of the q. Is based on the erroneous concept that “Jesus became flesh”. This is not scriptural.
    – steveowen
    Feb 13 at 20:58
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    @user48152 - do not resort to sarcasm else you will be in trouble on this site. I read the Bible as I find it and list the evidence above. The Scriptures clearly show that Jesus existed before His incarnation.
    – Dottard
    Feb 13 at 21:06

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