What is the logos in Heb 4:12?
Several answers have stated some basic truths about God's logos and I wont repeat this information. Save, initially, to point out where they have all deviated from scripture. There are inventions that conform to traditional dogma, but are simply not of the inspired text.
- "In John 1:1-3 the subject matter is the Divine Word, or Logos. A person (but not human), not speech or written words. That is why 'Word' here has an upper-case W, to denote divine personage."
This argument is a traditional trap to guide the unwary into believing the logos is a person simply by the 'translators' using a capital! And, making a Divine person out of imagination and not sound exegesis.
- "Thus the communication must be within deity as a part of the creative process."
A big assumption based on nothing in the text. When God says 'let there be light', He needs not speak to anyone at all - do we think God needs to use literal words to get things done? God has other heavenly spirits in attendance. Nothing at all expresses more than one with Deity credentials. The whole OT expresses quite clearly the one God known as Yahweh etc. - a solitary God.
By the word of the LORD the heavens were made, and all the stars by the breath of His mouth. Ps 33:6
No person even hinted at here.
- "In John 1:1-3, "Logos" is personified" (which is the closest to truth of all)
Indeed IT is personified, but this does not make logos a person either - just as it doesn't make Wisdom a person. Other things are personified in scripture - they are not persons either.
We see this trend to make more of the logos than scripture provides. To personify to the point of having a new Deity, an eternal Deity, an 'eternally begotten' Deity. All drawn from imagination of human writers not inspired by God. Why are they not inspired? Because they contradict the word God has provided through His son and the ones who learnt under Jesus' leadership and subsequently taught the church and wrote the Gospels, letters and epistles. None of these writers ever mentioned another Deity - certainly not a 3in1 Deity! Yet, tradition has insisted for centuries that it knows better.
For the word (logos) of God is living and active...
We can see from 1 John 1 another careful reference to God's word.
That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked at and our hands have touched--this we proclaim concerning the Word of life.
Again, no hint of a person or Deity here, but the logos of God and the power within His word. Notice carefully the "which" mentioned several times - making the point that this logos is NOT a person at all - UNTIL, it is given actual human life in Jesus - the logos become flesh.
and sharper than any two-edged sword, even penetrating as far as the division of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart.
Is Jesus this sword? Keep reading-
And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are open and laid bare to the eyes of Him to whom we must answer.
Who are we answering to? God. Not the logos.
Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let’s hold firmly to our confession. 15For we do not have a high priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but One who has been tempted in all things just as we are, yet without sin. v14-15
Now we have the relevance of Jesus in this process - our High Priest who is at once God's word made flesh - the sword AND the one who defends us from this sword of great peril. Our thoughts and hidden attitudes condemning us (God knows them all) yet we are found safe and secure in this logos as Intercessor and Lamb. The reiteration of this Jesus, tempted as we are, made like us in every way (Heb 2:17) - how can he be the God deity who cannot be tempted or die? He cannot - he is one of us!
Jesus as God's word made flesh, fills many roles. Not all together, but at various times as he finished the work he was sent to do. He was not always High Priest, but became so at his resurrection and exaltation. He was not always Judge, but became so as God gave him that authority John 5:27.
This whole passage speaks of one critical truth about Jesus. It is mentioned throughout the NT, but here it is concise. God still has His word - He still speaks out His will, He still looks deeply into His creation and points it toward its imminent completion in Christ. He calls people, He chooses people for certain roles, to bear certain burdens etc etc. Jesus is also this living word as a human - having qualified to represent God in every matter as His 'Right-hand-man' while also representing us - broken and sinful, disobedient and careless and being led to inherit eternity with him at the Father's side.
What is the difference to the logos in John 1:1-3?
None. John is charged with introducing this logos become flesh - this radical change to God's presence in creation. Now God's word is an independent self-willed human who is charged with doing God's will and not his own!
Jesus said to them, “My food is to do the will of him who sent me and to accomplish his work. John 4:34
I do not seek My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. John 5:30
John does it twice - John 1 and 1 John 1. No one talks much about 1 John 1 as it lacks the provocative personification the prologue has been presented with. When we read both both together we get a true and complete understanding of 'God's word become flesh'. The same who became High Priest, Saviour, King and many other roles - this wasn't possible until we have this living person in Christ Jesus.