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for the Holy Spirit will teach you in that very hour what you ought to say." Luke 12:12

for it will not be you speaking, but the Spirit of your Father speaking through you. Matthew 10:20.

Orthodox Christianity says the Holy Spirit is the 3rd person of the Trinity. Others say the Spirit is the presence of God. Are Luke and Matthew favouring one view over the other?

When these two 'Spirit' terms are used within the same context, do they mean the same thing?

Simply, is the 'Holy Spirit' the 'Spirit of the Father' according to the disciples/apostles?

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    The question states 'we all know what the term, Holy Spirit, usually represents'. But there are two main schools of thought about that. That he is a Divine Person, a separate Divine Person from the Father. Or that 'spirit' means just one component of a single being called 'God'. I think the question needs to state which of these the question is assuming when the question says 'we all know ... etc.' I think some clarity is required.
    – Nigel J
    Nov 22 '20 at 20:36
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    I agree with @NigelJ for to say "as we all know what the term "Holy Spirit" usually represents" is to assume some kind of absolute "we" which knows in the best possible way. But which is such "we"? This "we" is usually a stance that somebody wants to be "the true" interpretation, but it cannot be said to have any legitimate claim on universality unless explained logically and dialectically, as Heraclitus and Socrates would rightly say. Nov 23 '20 at 9:06
  • “The one who wins victory will be given the hidden manna”, it says in Rev 2:17. “The hidden manna” could be the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, which we are encouraged to strive for, because without Holiness no one will see God” (Heb 12:14) Nov 28 '20 at 0:54
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Holy Spirit is the Spirit of the Father because He (Spirit) issues from Him (Father) (John 15:26), and is also the Spirit of the Son, because He (Spirit) is dispensed by Him (the Son) to humans (John 20:22) and because belief in Him (Son) is the condition for Holy Spirit to gush forth in us as streams of "living water" (John 7::38).

Thus, yes, according to apostles and according to common sense based on their sayings and writings, the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of the Father who teaches us to worship the Father's Son, called Jesus Christ after the Incarnation, alongside with the Father as Lord and God (1 Cor. 12:3).

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The Holy Spirit is known by various titles:

  • Parakletos/Comforter/Helper/etc - John 14:16, 26, 15:26, 16:7
  • The Spirit of Christ - 1 Peter 1:11, Rom 8:2, 9, Phil 1:19, etc.
  • The Spirit of God - Rom 8:14, 1 Cor 3:16, 12;3, 1 John 4:2, 1 peter 4:14, etc
  • The Spirit of your Father - Matt 10:20

The Holy Spirit is seen as distinct from both the Father and the Son in many places such as: Matt 28:19, 2 Cor 12:13, Eph 2:18, John 16:13, Acts 10:38, Rom 1:2-4, 1 Cor 6:11, 12:2, 3, 2 Cor 13:14, Gal 3:11-14, Heb 9:14, 10:29, 1 Peter 1:2, 3, 4:14, etc.

We see the individuality of the Holy Spirit from the Father and Son in other passages such as Matt 12:31, 32, Mark 3:28, 29, and Luke 12:8-10 the unforgivable sin is defined as blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. This is an expansion of Isa 63:10-14 where people grieved the Holy Spirit. Such a sin would not be even possible if the Holy Spirit were not both a person and divine. Note further, that these passages make a clear distinction between sinning against the Son or Father as opposed to the Holy Spirit, again, shown that the Holy Spirit is distinct.

Rom 8:26, 27, which says – In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. For we do not know how we ought to pray, but the Spirit Himself intercedes for us with groans too deep for words. And He who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for the saints according to the will of God.

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Now, there is no question that "the spirit of Christ" can, sometimes, refer to the mind of Christ - see BDAG, "pneuma", meaning #6.

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This question is perhaps more suitable for Christianity.SE, as it is asking for answers that could depend on specific faiths.

From a strictly textual perspective, "the holy spirit" and "the spirit of the Father" mean the same thing. What belongs to or comes from the Father can be considered as holy, so obviously spirit from or of the Father must be holy.

The problem of reconciling these two verses arises only when a non-biblical[*] concept is added, namely that holy spirit is a third person in the godhead.

Ignoring later tradition, and working only with biblical text (which is what this site is supposed to do), there is no reason to even suspect that there is any conflict between the two verses.


[*] before anyone jumps on this, remember that in the original Greek, "holy spirit" wasn't capitalized, English translations referring to it as "he" could have used the word "it" instead, and the Johannine Comma is a late addition.

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  • Why is it faith dependant - don't we all use the same bible? Which the Q specifically references (+1)
    – steveowen
    Nov 28 '20 at 1:59
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    @user48152, the original question points out that "Orthodox Christianity says the Holy Spirit is the 3rd person of the Trinity. Others say the Spirit is the presence of God.". ¶ My own answer assumes that the Trinity concept is non-biblical and so can be ignored. Dottard's answer assumes that the Holy Spirit is a third member of the Trinity, and so gives a completely different answer. ¶ That is how Christianity.SE works with answers from specific faiths. On the other hand, Hermeneutics.SE answers should be derived from biblical text and not be affected by the answerer's religious belief. Nov 28 '20 at 4:03
  • Hermeneutics.SE answers should be derived from biblical text and not be affected by the answerer's religious belief - precisely! And fair point re changes.
    – steveowen
    Nov 28 '20 at 7:47
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Yes. It is the spirit of the Father.

John 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

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The word, "Holy" comes from the Hebrew word, qodesh (Strong's H6944), which means apartness, set-apartness, of God, of places, of things, also, set-apartness, separateness, sacredness. So the Holy Spirit is indeed of God, especially when viewed in His separate operative capacity, like "comforter", "teacher", one by whom we are "sealed", etc.

This is not unlike the separate operative capacity of the WORD of God--Spirit--who was made flesh to be judged for the sin of the world by being separated from God the Father in Hell for three days and three nights as prophesied in Psalm 22, And, as fulfilled in Matthew 27:46:

And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

and finishing with the same cry, in verse 50:

Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost. (My emphasis)

And, in Acts 2:25-27:

For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved: Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope: Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. (My emphasis)

David was consoled concerning his own soul because of his faith in the promise that God would not suffer His Holy One to see corruption, neither would He leave David's own soul in Hell. As it was written, in Psalm 16:10:

For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. (My emphasis)

And again in Matthew 12:40:

For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

The heart of the earth was not in that tomb where Jesus' body remained, but rather, in the heart of the earth--in hell--in Abraham's bosom--separated by a great gulf fixed from unbelievers (read Luke, chapter 16 in total). Those believers in Abraham's bosom in hell at that time, although separated as being believers from unbelievers, were not in heaven. They, too, were in the heart of the earth separated from their own long-ago decayed bodies, because Jesus had not yet completed the necessary work for their salvation. Indeed, He was now separated from the Father, just like them, but now positioned to preach to ALL those spirits in prison words that had they been waiting years, decades, and even thousands of years to hear--that God's Holy One had finally died as an atonement for their sin, as it is written in 1 Peter 3:18-19:

For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: By which (Spirit) also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; (My insertion for clarification)

That Word of God revealed the separate operational capacities of Himself, the Speaker, the Lord God, and the His (the Lord God's) Spirit, the Senders, in Isaiah 48:16:

Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me. (My emphasis)

These three separate operational capacities of the ONE TRUE GOD indeed have individual functions and they always stayed in their own lane, respectively, while accomplishing ETERNAL SALVATION for everyone who believes in the separate, but dovetailing accomplishments of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. Those accomplishments of the Holy Father, Holy Son, and Holy Ghost are brilliantly highlighted as basic necessities for teaching by the great commission given to the apostles, who were likewise "sent" to "teach" all nations by baptizing (submerging) them in the name of the three individual operatives of the ONE True God, as we see in Matthew 28:19-20:

Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen. (My emphasis)

So the Holy Spirit is indeed God, Even as the WORD who was with God and who was God, is God, and as the Lord God is God--the ONE TRUE GOD--the "us" in Genesis 1:26:

And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:.... (My emphasis)

So, yes, the Holy Spirit is of the Father.

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  • Hmmm, ty. you’ve rewritten the question to fit your presumption. Luke and Matthew eliminate the person of the spirit by uniting the HS with the S of the Father- not God. You say, So the Holy Spirit is indeed God, but that wasn’t the question. And while Jesus was in the tomb, he was dead, not anywhere else... you need to account for the ‘in which’ or ‘by which’. He was only ‘in the spirit’ when made alive after 3 days.
    – steveowen
    Nov 28 '20 at 7:32
  • @user48152 You need to prove that the Scripture I cited is a lie. Where is your reference? Some Creed or religious dogma? BTW You wrote the question, my Scriptural citations are an answer, not a QUESTION. Nov 28 '20 at 15:39
  • Read the text carefully again with the pointers I gave you. It’s you who is making the bible lie with misunderstood citations. You are not answering the question.
    – steveowen
    Nov 28 '20 at 20:48
  • @user48152 Scripture does not lie. I can't make it lie. Only erroneous assumptions and declarations of men lie. Prove that the scripture that I have cited in my answer is a lie. Are you saying that when Jesus said in John 10:30, " I and my Father are one" that He was lying? Nov 29 '20 at 3:14
  • Why do you foolishly think I say the text lies? It is eisegesis of it and proof-texting that makes it read unfaithfully. Seriously Bill, we've covered this! "I and my Father are one" - ONE WHAT? Let the bible tell you what that means without jumping to false conclusions. This is entry level exegesis already discussed on BH. And why are we changing the subject?
    – steveowen
    Nov 29 '20 at 3:49
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for the Holy Spirit will teach you in that very hour what you ought to say." Luke 12:12

for it will not be you speaking, but the Spirit of your Father speaking through you. Matthew 10:20

Perhaps these passages don’t fit the prescribed understanding of what (or who) the Holy Spirit is, but they carry the weight of those Jesus ministered to as his disciples.

The disciples, become apostles, carry the weight of holding, guarding and teaching truth once delivered.

What they present is simple - that the Holy Spirit IS the spirit of the Father.

There is no separate entity. There is no separate entity when we read of the spirit of Christ, or the several others so described. (Elijah, truth, grace, fire, etc)

Jesus, full of the Holy Spirit, returned from the Jordan and was led around by the Spirit in the wilderness Luke 4:1

Which we may understand as him being filled with the spirit of his Father. Making perfect sense of Jesus describing he and ‘the Father were one’. Not one substance, but one in purpose. Jesus fully equipped to deal with evil without succumbing - not by himself, but filled with the Father - the spirit of God, the spirit of the Father.

For God was pleased to have all His fullness dwell in Him Col 1:19

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  • John 14:26 But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you. 3 distinct persons. John 14:23 Jesus replied, “Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them. The Father and the Son (two persons) will make home with those who love Jesus. Feb 14 at 0:02
  • Precisely! The Father and Jesus (2) dwell by the spirit of God, Father. No trinity there... Jesus is the primary ‘Paraclete’, advocate, comforter - by and through the spirit.
    – steveowen
    Feb 14 at 0:19
  • Your answer to this question will be an interesting read: hermeneutics.stackexchange.com/questions/55620/… Feb 14 at 0:24

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