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The spirit of Jesus leaves his body that was prepared for him Heb10:5

“Then Jesus, calling out with a loud voice, said, “Father, into your hands I commit my spirit!” And having said this he breathed his last.” ‭‭Luke‬ ‭23:46‬

When Jesus resurrected and the tomb was empty

“But Mary stood weeping outside the tomb, and as she wept she stooped to look into the tomb. And she saw two angels in white, sitting where the body of Jesus had lain, one at the head and one at the feet. They said to her, “Woman, why are you weeping?” She said to them, “They have taken away my Lord, and I do not know where they have laid him.”” ‭‭John‬ ‭20:11-13‬

Now Jesus was outside the tomb in a body

“Having said this, she turned around and saw Jesus standing, but she did not know that it was Jesus.” ‭‭John‬ ‭20:14‬

Did Jesus’ spirit return to His old crucified body?

At some point Jesus has a glorified body

“who will transform our lowly body to be like his glorious body, by the power that enables him even to subject all things to himself.” ‭‭Philippians‬ ‭3:21‬

This question is not asking when this occurred per se unless someone thinks this happened at the moment of resurrection.

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    By same old crucified body, I mean He was NOT in a new glorified body (that could go through walls for example) immediately after resurrection. Sep 18 '20 at 17:36
  • Is not it a self evident question? There was not "old crucified body" but only one body that died and was risen from dead. That this risen body had features of penetrating through walls etc. is a completely different issue. If a drop of a water is turned into a snow-flake, it is the same drop of water nevertheless; similarly, if Jesus' resurrected body acquired any new features, it is the same body nevertheless. Yet this is a question, for Mary remained a virgin after His birth, so penetration of walls was His body's feature also before, and He could make His body shine as well on Mt. Thabor. Sep 18 '20 at 20:01
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    @LevanGigineishvili "If a drop of a water is turned into a snow-flake, it is the same drop of water nevertheless" I take it you mean it is the same physical substance, which has transformed from a 'drop of liquid water' into a 'crystalline structure of solid water'? We say it's the 'same thing' because it has the same atoms, or what have you. I believe the question here is about the degree of the transformation, not whether there is the same substance, but I could be mistaken. Sep 18 '20 at 21:39
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    Who washed and embalmed him - he was already gone when they came to do so? Luke 24:1
    – steveowen
    Sep 18 '20 at 22:47
  • @LevanGigineishvili What is obvious to me is in the greater context of scripture there are earthly bodies and heavenly bodies. And somewhere along the line Jesus took on a heavenly body. If the next verse is anything to go by “in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed.” ‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭15:52‬ then Jesus resurrected with His earthly body and changed or raised directly with an imperishable body. The context seems to indicate the former. Sep 19 '20 at 0:45
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In short, yes, because it was not a different body. Of course, once the Spirit of Christ, was restored to the lifeless, maimed, crucified and buried body - that body was resurrected, but this changed the body not swapped it for a better one.

Paul compares this change in a resurrected body with the change between a seed and seedling:

Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die: And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain: But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body. All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds. There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another. There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory. So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. (1Co 15:36-44)

The resurrection is the point that produced that significant change of the same body (the seedling is the resurrected seed), so that it is the same body but drastically changed.

Since it was the Spirit of Christ that raised him from the dead that caused the Resurrection...

But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you. (Rom 8:11)

...it will follow that the answer to your question: "Did Jesus’ spirit return into the same old crucified body?", the answer must be: yes... and it was raised a spiritual body.

Now, a spiritual body does not mean He was a spirit, "for a spirit does not have flesh and bone as ye see me have" (Luke 24:39), so it must mean that it is a physical body that can nteract with and operate within the spiritual (heavenly) realm, without the limitation induced by the physical laws. Jesus ascended with a physical body into heaven, a spiritual place, as did Elijah (even with most of his clothes on). The spiritual realm does not exclude physical objects, the physical realm is a subset of the spiritual, almost like a 2-dimensional plane is a subset of the infinitely larger 3-dimensional place.

Maybe that is what is meant with a celestial body - heavenly vehicle of the human spirit, as opposed to the terrestrial body - earthy vehicle of the human spirit. I imagine it could be similar to the "abilities" that a 3-dimensional being will appear to have in a 2-dimensional world. It seems then to be the same body but released from its confines to the physical laws, through death and resurrection.

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  • I wasn’t implying a swapping but I was imagining a transformation. You indicate it was at the moment of resurrection, I could see that option as being valid and you provide scripture to back your claim. I’m not yet persuaded this is the only possibility, Paul does speak of those who are alive being changed whilst still alive, and certainly all the people Jesus raised from the dead were raised back into their mortal unchanged bodies. If the return of Christ would have happened in their lifetime they would have been changed whilst alive after being resurrected. +1 Sep 21 '20 at 12:52
  • @NihilSineDeo: Thanks Nihil Sine Deo! I didn't think you did suggest a body swop, but that seemed to me the only way in which one could answer "no" to your question unless you assume the body was glorified before and therefore apart from the Spirit - if it was the same body and the Spirit of Christ that resurrected then it was the Old body that it returned to. Sep 21 '20 at 14:08
  • @NihilSineDeo I do not think there is a difference between what happens to the bodies of those alive believers and "sleeping" believers apart from the state of their decomposition. One is dust and ashes, and another pristine recently buried corpse, some in old age but not in the ground and some with small young bodies. The one difference is that the sleeping believers' spirits are not in the earthly bodies but coming with Christ, they are resurrected first with new celestial bodies, and then those believers that are alive are also changed in the twinkling of an eye into their celestial bodies. Sep 21 '20 at 14:15
  • I read that last part several times before I made sense of it. So you think their spirits are coming with Christ and then they will enter their bodies that are resurrected? Sep 21 '20 at 16:27
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    @NihilSineDeo You've actually also caused me to carefully think about this because the physical resurrection is odd! No wonder some thought of strange scenarios (Luk 20:27-33), mocked Paul for preaching it (Act17:32) and had questions about how the body will be resurrected (1 Cor 15:35). I am wondering, what about those whose bodies are utterly destroyed and not buried - think Jan Huss! But if I rejected the bodily resurrection based on my inability to understand, Jesus would answer "Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God." (Mat 22:29) and Paul, "thou fool" (1 cor 15:35) Sep 22 '20 at 4:43
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Did Jesus’ spirit return to His crucified body?

  • Since you reference the Gospel of John, the answer is "Yes" - based on John 20:25-27.

John 20:25-27 [KJV] :

"25 The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, **Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe.**
"26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you."
"27 Then saith he to Thomas, **Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side** and be not faithless, but believing."
  • By showing Thomas the nail wounds in His hands, Jesus in the Gospel of John returned to resurrect His crucified body.
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    Not clear if this passage entails a 'same old' body, or rather a renewed, glorified body which maintains those marks. 'Same old' in the question is ambiguous. Sep 18 '20 at 17:21
  • @AnthonyBurg I was going to make the same remark but how could I word the question to make it less ambiguous that I mean the exact same body that was crucified on the cross and could not go through walls as clearly now it could in the case of Thomas, John20. I could follow up with another question at what point did Jesus get His new gloried body that that question has been asked and answer here already. Sep 18 '20 at 17:32
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    @NihilSineDeo Yes, you're butting up against difficult problems in ontology here (for ex., the thought experiment of Theseus' ship). It's not clear why we have 'the same' body in everyday life, when every cell is replaced every so many years. Much less a situation like this, where something very unusual supposedly happens where we have much less information. Sep 18 '20 at 17:37
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    @NihilSineDeo OK, I've read your comment on the original question. More clear now, thanks for this. Sep 18 '20 at 17:38
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    This answer should also include a reference to Phil 3:21 and Jesus "gloried body".
    – Dottard
    Sep 18 '20 at 22:23
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No.

Jesus had a different body: a glorified body.

Which is why he wasn't recognized by Mary:

When she had said this, she turned around and saw Jesus standing there, and did not know that it was Jesus. John 20:11

And why Cleopas and his friends didn't recognize Him either:

After this, Jesus appeared in a different form to two of them as they walked along in the country. Mark 16:12

And has been mentioned oft, Jesus could pass through walls.

At the resurrection of the dead, we will have these bodies too.

But our citizenship is in heaven, and we eagerly await a Savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ, who, by the power that enables Him to subject all things to Himself, will transform our lowly bodies to be like His glorious body. Philippians 3:20-21

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  • That’s interesting but does not take into account “Then Simon Peter came, following him, and went into the tomb. He saw the linen cloths lying there, and the face cloth, which had been on Jesus’ head, not lying with the linen cloths but folded up in a place by itself.” ‭‭John‬ ‭20:6-7‬ therefore the explanation is not quite fully found in your response. Sep 22 '20 at 17:35
  • Considering He looked different and could do more, That body wasn't the same Body. Mary couldn't recognize Him, neither could those at Emmaus. Sep 22 '20 at 19:15
  • Understood but that’s not the only option to achieving that outcome. It’s also possible that his body took on features as per 1cor15:54 Sep 22 '20 at 21:17
  • I.e. it went changes, ergo, not the same Body. Sep 22 '20 at 21:37
  • If I take my car and change the engine and the wheels and the transmission does the vin number change? No it’s the same car with upgraded. Changes doesn’t equal Complete replacement. Sep 22 '20 at 22:09
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The question is misspelled and in the science of logic such misspelling is called an "error of complex question". This means that a questioner puts in a question an information that is not at all self-evident, and therefore, if an answerer fails to see it, then in his (general 'his' without meaning of gender) answer he will unawares and unintentionally will agree with the unwanted information. For instance, if I ask you: "Have you stopped beating your girlfriend?" Whether you answer 'yes' or 'no' in both cases you will agree with the information that you were beating your girlfriend, which of course has nothing to do with actual state of affairs.

Similarly here, in your question you include an information that itself is not at all clear (namely, that Jesus had two different bodies a) the one in which He lived, died and resurrected and b) a "glorified body", which He adopted after resurrection, evidently after having discarded His old resurrected body). Moreover, this theory is quite un-orthodox and un-catholic and un-protestant, shortly, un-everything what the mainstream Christianity holds. I would call this theory a "double-body heresy" (heresy not necessarily in a derogatory sense, but in the sense of "out of orthodoxy" or even "out of mainstreamity"), for you claim that Jesus had kind of two resurrections: 1. When His body resurrected from the tomb; and 2. When He discarded from His spirit/soul this resurrected body (who knows where and when in those 40 days before ascension) and adopted a totally new body, which can be called "glorified body" and has nothing to do with the body in which He lived, died and the wounds of which He showed to doubtful Thomas, whose doubts were dissipated immediately as he saw the wounds and perhaps even touched them.

Of course the bizzarity of this theory speaks for itself. Just fancy: Jesus resurrects in the same body which laid in the tomb and then, after, say ten days He threw this body back to the "hands" of death and destruction, for instance dropped it to the Sea of Galilee for fish to eat it (or made it dematerialise, which is another name for 'death'). This necessarily means that He died second time after the resurrection. Yet, immediately, He put upon Himself some other body, made of more steadfastly fastened atoms and molecules so as to withstand the destruction and with this new body ascended to heavens.

However, the disciples failed to record this great change: Mary Magdalene saw, probably, the very body in which Jesus lived and died in a resurrected form in a garden, recognising Him in it and running to Him with shouting "Rabbuni!" However, she did not fathom that this body would become a dinner for fishes in the Sea of Galilee in just ten days, and later, when other disciples saw Him, it was already His glorified body which had nothing to do with the one pierced by the nails on the Calvary. However, Jesus wanted to hide this fact from them and as a tricky illusionist gave them a guise that He ate fishes in front of them (but this was an intentional delusion from his part for how can a glorified body eat fish? And why?).

But Jesus' canning, which was left unnoticed for more than twenty centuries, was cracked now and dismantled by the author of this question on the stack exchange site, who instructed the humanity and billions of Christians about their error of holding only one body of Christ in which He lived, died and was resurrected, to lead them to a glorious truth of second death of Jesus' body in the belies of the fishes of the Sea of Galilee and Jesus' spirit's new cladding in a glorious body already made of strongly fastened atoms and molecules that would survive the effects of time and would start to belong to Him eternally.

Strongly smacks of mythology, phantasy genre etc., not theology.

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  • @Down-voter Dear down-voter, the gist of my answer is that the double-body theory belongs to the “Mythology” section of the stack-exchange site as transcending all limits of plausibility and credibility and as being at odds with all great traditions of Christianity (Catholic, Orthodox, Protestant and even Coptic/Armenian and Nestorian). To affirm that a Jesus killed His resurrected body, thus underwent death second time and then took a new glorious body is unscriptural and mythological. If you have a better solution, please inform me. Otherwise, have a nice day! Sep 21 '20 at 5:33
  • It wasn't me, but please spare us the long drawn-out meandering method of answering Q. Which often include NO scripture, just a thought bubble inside a thought bubble. Most of your answer (being generous there) is your own interpretation of that which was never expressed in Q. Maybe you should write a theological novel, fictional of course, to use this incredible talent you have.
    – steveowen
    Sep 21 '20 at 10:18
  • @user48152 My post was addressed to the down-voter so you needn't need to bother at all. But since you write those wrong things about my post, let you know that all my positions are based on the scriptural evidence and reason based on them. If you dislike my style, its a question of taste, but I use a traditional "reductio ad absurdum" method. If you think that the bizarre theory of Jesus' double body has any scriptural ground, then you read your own scriptures. But why did you snap our discussion on the matter of divinity of Jesus? I hoped for a lengthy discussion on chat and was disappointed Sep 21 '20 at 12:18
  • Your answer was in part directed at me (my question). I want to clarify, I am not advocating two deaths or a “double body” I’m saying that just as there are people raised from the dead today back into their mortal bodies, Jesus could a) have been raised into an immortal body directly or b) raised back into His mortal body which changed into an immortal body “at the twinkling of an eye”. I’m not being dogmatic on either option, I’m saying both should be considered given for now no one has shown enough scriptural proof it’s definitely on or the other. Sep 21 '20 at 12:58
  • @NihilSineDeo Thanks indeed for the clarification! Yet, the possibility you present is not a real possibility, for the "a)" possibility is non secuitur according to the Scriptures and is to be totally omitted even before it is stated, because the alpha and omega of Christianity, based on a solid and indubitable scriptural evidence, is that Jesus' body that died on the Cross has risen and returned to life and after 40 days ascended to heaven. Period. Thus, by presenting the impossible possibility in your question as a real possibility, you commit the mentioned error of the "complex question". Sep 21 '20 at 13:25
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We must first establish what body he began with - scripture shows...

Heb 2:17 He had to be made like His brethren in all things

Jesus is the second Adam (human) v14 therefore, since the children share in flesh and blood, He Himself likewise also partook of the same, that through death He might render powerless him who had the power of death, that is, the devil.

So we're human - Jesus had to be human too.

He said, 'I am a man who has told you the truth' John 8:40 (was Jesus lying - did he not know he was the eternally living 'God the Son'?)

Which brings us to the Lamb of God - Rev 5:13, 6:16, 7:9, 7:10, 21:22 a sample of verses showing the Lamb is not God, and God is not the Lamb.

Jesus is a man, born of the flesh through Mary, given the holy spirit at baptism (as we are as a deposit only), and died for the sins of the world, remained dead for 3 days until his Father/God raised him.

The bible presents no support for a God/man who is an immortal God who can die. He is either immortal or he is not.

Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God 1 Tim 1:17

Jesus was raised to life where he COULD NOT DIE AGAIN.

knowing that Christ, having been raised from the dead, is never to die again; death no longer is master over Him. Rom 6:9

Why does Paul make such a big deal about Jesus being raised from the dead if he was just a pretend temporary body - as the eternal 'God the Son' cannot die? 1 Cor 15

If God, who, 'so loved the world', did indeed 'send His only begotten son' (John 3:16) to die - then we either believe Jesus was a human or something other that only 1/2 died. Notice it is GOD sending his son - not the Father sending His son.

Why does Jesus inherit all things if he allegedly made everything? Why does the last Adam become a life-giving spirit if he already was? Why, if the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son also to have life in himself, if Jesus had it all along? John 5:26 Why is Jesus exalted to 'God's' right hand and given the promised holy spirit to distribute if he was God the Son?

All this to show that Jesus was a man. There is consistent and unequivocal support for this truth.

For Christ also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust, so that He might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit 1 Pet 3:18

Exalted to the right hand of God, he has received from the Father the promised Holy Spirit

Jesus...will transform our lowly bodies so that they will be like his glorious body. Phil 3:21

So we still have bodies - just as Jesus did and does saying,

‘See my hands and my feet, that it is I myself; touch me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have.’ Luke 24:39

Did Jesus’ spirit return to His old crucified body?

It is an odd Q, with 'return' included. This is ambiguous. Where did Jesus go when he died? Into the tomb where he remained. He was 'awakened' by God and given not the human spirit again, but a new spirit life that cannot die. But yes, and he still has the same body as he expressed. Just as we will have our bodies, but transformed in glory.

We must not confuse being a spirit - like God and angels, with being a transformed human who is reborn by or into the spirit. see more here,

What does the risen Jesus mean, 'for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have'. Luke 24:39?

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    You’ve dealt with Trinity and little to none (fourth last paragraph) with the question at hand. You’re not persuasive about your anti-Trinitarian rhetoric either. Your argument is so weak it as if you’re arguing humans don’t have a spirit in their bodies. This is off topic Sep 19 '20 at 0:26
  • Being persuasive is not for me - God opens hearts and minds.
    – steveowen
    Sep 19 '20 at 1:13
  • -1 You misstate the meaning of ὁμοιόω in Hebrews. Sep 19 '20 at 1:37
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    Here’s my point. If? you mean ‘human’ is ‘flesh’, or even if flesh is a ‘part’ of a ‘human’, then you will have to deal with this - 1 COR 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.. When Jesus appeared to the disciples, there is only a mention of his body having ‘flesh and bone’, [not blood], whereas all other references to man, the descriptor is ‘flesh and blood’
    – Dave
    Sep 19 '20 at 4:27
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    So, ... then, the resurrected body is not the same. It is not ‘human’?
    – Dave
    Sep 19 '20 at 18:01

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