Are the two 'lifes' mentioned in John 5:26 the same?

Question

John 5:26 For just as the Father has life in Himself, even so He gave to the Son also to have life in Himself.

Clearly, in this text, the Father is the one giving life and Jesus the one receiving. It's the same Gr. word ζωὴν (zōēn)

John 6:57 Just as the living Father sent Me and I live because of the Father, so also the one who feeds on Me will live because of Me.

Previous to Jesus' resurrection he did not have immortality. He was flesh and died in the flesh.

1 Pet 3:18 For Christ also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust, so that He might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit.

He said to the disciples after the Father raised him from death -

Luke 23:39 See My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself; touch Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have.

Is there a difference between the life of the Father and the life He gave the Son?

Answer 1

The text is quite explicit that the Son possesses the same kind of life which the Father himself possesses. They both have "life-in-himself". The difference is that the Son has it from the Father, whilst the Father has it from no one else. Having life in one's own self indicated the ability to give life to others, according to the context (v. 24), the Son has the ability to give eternal life to others.

The Father gives this kind of life to the Son via eternal generation, as John's prologue speaks of the Son having life in himself as θεος (God), which makes him the origin of all creation, all things having been created through him (John 1:1-4).

Answer 2

Two Different Lives - One Living God
First, it is obvious there is a type of life the Son had which the Father has never experienced:

And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth. (John 1:14) [ESV]

The Father has never experienced life in the flesh. He has never been hungry or tempted to sin or experienced any of the physical aspects of life in the flesh. Nor has the Father ever physically shown Himself to man as the Son has. The life the Son had and has is unique: it is one-of-a-kind, μονογενὴς. He also had life before becoming flesh (1:1) and, despite experiencing a physical death (18:32), He is alive in the flesh (1:18), which has a material sense (eg. Luke 24:39).

Here are some implications of what we have been told:

1. Language will not adequately express the life of the Son. For example, the OP states, it is possible to say He was not immortal as He experienced death. Yet His body not decay: it did not see corruption. Likewise, He was put to death in the body but made alive in the spirit (1 Peter 3:18). He has a spiritual body (1 Corinthians 15:44), which, nevertheless, has a fleshly reality capable of transcending the physical world: His life is unique.
2. It is specious to draw conclusions by picking out individual verses from passages which are describing that which is unique. For just as the Father has life in Himself, even so He gave to the Son also to have life in Himself can be construed, as the OP notes, to say Jesus is receiving life from the Father. Yet the word "gave" is δίδωμι which also means "grant" or "deliver." The Father "granting" life to the Son is one way to express that which is God becoming that which is flesh. Likewise "delivering" follows the context which all life is in now in the hand of the Son. Nor can this "transfer" be seen to the Son was separate and distinct from life before He became flesh. It may mean that which was once shared equally has now been placed in the hand of (or returned to) just one.

This Gospel also explains how it is wrong to conclude one life is "superior" to the other (as might be claimed). That is, in terms of "superiority" the Son was "less" than the Father. Since if that line of reasoning is continued, then the Father having divested Himself of that which was His, has made the Son "superior." The Gospel insists there is mutual equality which of necessity means one is different from the other while still being equal. This illustrates the fundamental obstacle the Jewish people who did not accept Christ could not overcome:

One eschatological theme leads to another. Just as it is a fundamental Jewish belief that in the last days God will raise the dead, so also is it that at that time all men shall be judged. But God has handed over the office of judgement to the Son.¹

This is the stumbling block of Jewish unbelief: their "Father" is insufficient to obtain eternal life. The passage, 5:19-47 is an extensive restatement of John 1:1. The Son is different and yet the Son is equal to the Father, as the Word was equal to God. The difference is this is the current reality and will remain so until after the final judgement of eternal life.

The two lives are different yet only if they are (or will be) reunited as equal will a belief that only the Son now has what the OT says belongs to God will result in being raised from the dead to eternal life with the One Living God.

I am...
The Fourth Gospel makes extensive use of "I am." There are "seven" with predicates:

The Seven "I am's" of Jesus:
I am the Bread of life (6:35, 41, 48, 51)
I am the Light of the world (8:12)
I am the Door (10:7, 9)
I am the Good Shepherd (10:11, 14)
I am the Resurrection and the Life (11:25)
I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life (14:6)
I am the Vine (15:1, 5)

Each is a claim which, based on the Old Testament belongs to God, and it may be said with absolute certainty these are claims made by the Son, not the Father.

Only the Son may claim to be "I am...." where the "I am..." is based on a life which also has an earthly existence. The life of the Son and that of the Father should not be conflated into one as if there is no practical significance to an earthly existence. The final "I am" demonstrates lives which are different and yet are individually necessary to be equal:

“I am the true vine, and my Father is the vinedresser. (John 15:1)

The True Vine still requires a Vinedresser; yet the Vinedresser cannot exist as such unless there is a True Vine for Him. This means, without the Son as the True Vine, the Father has no claim to be the Vinedresser. The two are one only when there are two; neither is superior to the other since without the other neither exists as the True Vine or the Vinedresser.

I Am
In addition to "I am...", the absolute "I Am" is found nine times in the Gospel (4:26; 6:20; 8:24, 28, 58; 13:19, 18:5, 6, 8). These nine may be counted as seven:

...it is striking that his series of seven absolute "I am" sayings corresponds even numerically to its Old Testament source. The Septuagint has egō eimi in three instances (Deut. 32:39; Isa. 41:4; 43:10) and the double egō eimi egō eimi in four (Isa. 43:25; 45:18; 46:4; 51:12), making seven in all. The MT Hebrew has the simple ’ănî hū' seven times (Deut. 32:39; Isa. 41:4; 43:10, 13; 46:4; 48:12; 52:6) and the emphatic form ’ānōḵî ’ānōḵî hū' twice (Isa. 43:25; 51:12), making a total count of either seven or nine, just as John's series could be counted either as seven or (since the last saying is repeated twice: 18:5, 6, 8), nine.²

Once this pattern has been revealed, it becomes apparent the Son employed the same pattern for His "I am..." statements:

The Nine "I am's" of Jesus:
I am the Bread of life (6:35, 41, 48)
  + I am the Living Bread (6:51)
I am the Light of the world (8:12)
I am the Door for the sheep (10:7, 9)
I am the Good Shepherd (10:11, 14)
I am the Resurrection and the Life (11:25)
I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life (14:6)
  + I am the True Vine (15:1)
I am the Vine (15:5)

I believe the message is unmistakable. Just as He was I am before coming to earth, He is I am while on the earth.

He "is" in John 4-5
The meaning of Jesus' use of the absolute "I am" may be debated, but the number of uses is without dispute. Clearly the Gospel has been written with the OT "I am's" in view and may be compared as such. For example, the first "I Am" is in Deuteronomy:

“‘See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god beside me; I kill and I make alive; I wound and I heal; and there is none that can deliver out of my hand. (Deuteronomy 32:39)

רְאוּ עַתָּה כִּי אֲנִי אֲנִי הוּא וְאֵין אֱלֹהִים עִמָּדִי אֲנִי אָמִית וַאֲחַיֶּה מָחַצְתִּי וַאֲנִי אֶרְפָּא וְאֵין מִיָּדִי מַצִּֽיל

The first one was spoken to a Samaritan, who only accepts the first five books as the Word of God. Not only does the Gospel use all the "I am's" the same number of times they occur in the Hebrew Scripture, Jesus pronounced them in an order which corresponds to their occurrence in history, their placement in Scripture, and follow what Samaritans and other Jewish people accepted as authoritative:

Samaritan woman:         4:26
                         Deuteronomy 32:39

All other Jewish people: 6:20, 8:24, 28, 58; 13:19, 18:5, 6, 8
                         Isaiah 41:4; 43:10, 13, 25; 46:4; 48:12; 51:12; 52:6 

After recording "I Am" to the Samaritan woman, the Gospel writer then places a healing which prevents death (4:46-54) as the second sign. Then records a healing from a 38-year infirmity (5:5-9), the same period of time the Israelites had to wait before entering the Promised Land after the bad report for the spies (cf. Deuteronomy 2:14). Then Jesus says He is the only one who will "make alive" at the final judgement, and ends by calling upon Moses:

⁴⁵ Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father. There is one who accuses you: Moses, on whom you have set your hope. ⁴⁶ For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. ⁴⁷ But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe my words?” (John 5)

This first "I Am" in Scripture is not a simple "I Am" as it begins with a repetition of "I" ’ănî ’ănî hū' implying one ’ănî is Father and one Son. They are "One" and yet One will separate, come to earth in human form, offer Himself as a sacrifice for the world He created, empty Himself of every drop of human blood, be buried, and rise again from the dead. This is His "I am" story which is distinct from anything His Father has done.

The first I Am concludes with the teaching in Chapter 5 after demonstrating He is the One who heals and is the One who will make alive. He is in their presence as the Living I Am. He concludes with the claim to be the One who will give eternal life. Thus Moses' "I, I Am" is shown to be true by healing and making alive and those hearing Jesus should know His claim about final judgment will be also shown to be true because He is and equal to The Father.

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<sub>Notes:
1. C.K. Barrett, The Gospel According to St. John, SPCK, 1963, pp. 216-217
2. Richard Bauckham, The Testimony of the Beloved Disciple, Baker Academic, 2007, p. 247</sub>

Answer 3

There are two questions here, so I will tackle them in turn. See John 5:26.

Life

First, the word translated "Life" is ζωή (zóé), in both cases. Quite often, the word refers to eternal life, especially in the after-life, eg, Matt 7:14, 19:16, etc.

What was given?

In John 5:26, the grammar is quite clear, God is NOT giving the Son life. God is giving the Son authority. The phrase in both cases is identical for both parties: ζωὴν ἐν ἑαυτῷ = life in Himself. This is used of BOTH the Father and the Son. That is, the Father has life in Himself, and, the Son has life in Himself.

Therefore, what authority was given? Ellicott answers this nicely:

Life in himself.—The Son has spoken of the dead hearing His voice and living, but this giving of life to others can only be by one who has in himself an original source of life. This the Father has, and this the Son also has. To the Son in His pre-existent state it was natural, as being equal with the Father. To the Son who had emptied Himself of the exercise of the attributes which constituted the glory of that state (comp. again Philippians 2:6 et seq.), it was part of the Father’s gift by which He exalted Him exceedingly, and gave Him the name which is above every name. It was, then, a gift in time to One who had possessed it before all time, and for the purposes of the mediatorial work had relinquished it. It was a gift, not to the Eternal Son, but to the Incarnate Word.

Barnes is more forceful, of which I quote only an abbreviated synopsis:

1. It has reference merely "to office." As Mediator, he may be said to have been appointed by the Father.

2. Appointment to office does not prove that the one who is appointed is inferior in nature to him who appoints him. A son may be appointed to a particular work by a parent, and yet, in regard to talents and every other qualification, may be equal or superior to the father. ... He simply derived authority from them to do what he was otherwise fully "able" to do. So the Son, "as Mediator," is subject to the Father; yet this proves nothing about his nature.

To have life - That is, the right or authority of imparting life to others, whether dead in their graves or in their sins.

In himself - There is much that is remarkable in this expression. It is in Him as it is in God. He has the control of it, and can exercise it as he will. The prophets and apostles are never represented as having such power in themselves. They were dependent; they performed miracles in the name of God and of Jesus Christ Acts 3:6; Acts 4:30; Acts 16:18; but Jesus did it by his own name, authority, and power. He had but to speak, and it was done, Mark 5:41; Luke 7:14; John 11:43. This wonderful commission he bore from God to raise up the dead as he pleased; to convert sinners when and where he chose; and finally to raise up all the dead, and pronounce on them an eternal doom according to the deeds done in the body. None could do this but he who had the power of creation - equal in omnipotence to the Father, and the power of searching all hearts - equal in omniscience to God.

It is this innate life in the Son that is the source of the believer's eternal life as recorded in 1 John 5:11, 12 -

And this is that testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life.

Answer 4

John is quite adamant about the life in and of Jesus:

• John 1:4 - In Him was life, and that life was the light of men.
• John 2:19, 21 - Jesus answered, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up again.” ... But Jesus was speaking about the temple of His body.
• John 5:26 - For as the Father has life in Himself, so also He has granted the Son to have life in Himself.
• John 10:17, 18 - The reason the Father loves Me is that I lay down My life in order to take it up again. No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of My own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. This charge I have received from My Father.”
• 1 John 5:11, 12 - And this is that testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life.

John appears to be declaring that Jesus innate life in Himself; however, that life is bound up with the Father.

Logically, this question is fraught and tricky. While each member of the Godhead has innate life, there is one God and God cannot die (Rom 6:9, 1 Tim 6:16), so it is a hypothetical question - if any part of the Godhead died, then everything would cease to exist. Like the father, Jesus is immortal. Thus, while Jesus has innate life, that life is the same kind of indestructible life possessed by the Father.

Answer 5

The Apostle John told us that Jesus had life in Himself BEFORE His incarnation according to John 1:4. The use of the past tense shows life was in Jesus Christ before the incarnation.

John 11:25, "I am the resurrection and the life; he who believes in Me shall live even if he dies." This power was given back to Him AFTER the resurrection, after He accomplished His mission as a man.

The Bible is clear, specifically at Philippians 2:6-8 where we are told that the Son was the very form of God. The Greek here, "morphe" refers to the form that reveals or expresses the absolute nature of a thing. He humbled Himself by taking upon Himself the form ("morphe" again) of a servant; the likeness of a man.

That is why the Apostle Paul was using this as an example of humility. He was not forced. He CHOSE to do so and the Son chose to be in subjection to His Father.

Answer 6

The question here relates to Christology, and first of all it should be asked: do the Father and His Logos who was with Him in the beginning (John 1:1) have the same life? Actually, we speak about the condition of existence of the Father and His Logos before the created world started to exist. Now, in "life" we usually imply the vegetation or breathing of creatures like plants and animals, including humans in their animality, but not stones, liquids or minerals, which we say to exist but have no life. However, the "life" of the Father and the Logos cannot be, unless we are out of our wits, identified with the created lives of plants and animals. In created order of being the existence is a more general category than life, for we have things existing without life (stones), but all living things also must necessarily exist. But Father and Logos are beyond even the existence in its created terms, for They are uncreatedly existing eternally.

Thus, the question is: is this Uncreated Eternal Existence one and the same in the Father and in the Logos/Son? And the answer is clearly and unequivocally, YES! But, of course, since Father gives birth to the Son/Logos eternally, then the Father also eternally, without any hiatus, transmits His entire existence to the Son, and the very eternal name of Father implies that He eternally has His Son, whom He gives eternally His existence, the Son/Logos thus being simultaneously the receiver of the existence of the Father and the inseparable and necessary aspect of the existence of the Father, to the effect that God-Father cannot be even theoretically considered without God-Logos, for "Father" analytically and here also theologically implies also the "Son".

Having established the identity of eternal existence of the Father and the Logos, we can also safely and irrefutably assert that the power of creation and also of vivification and resurrection (which is another name of the same divine action as a matter of fact) belongs both to the Father and the Son simultaneously, and that's why the Son says that by His "voice" (i.e. divine action) the dead will be resurrected, because He has "life in Himself" from the Father, just like the Father has "life in Himself" (John 5:25-26). And it is completely impossible for the Father to resurrect, say, Lazarus, without the Son also co-resurrecting Lazarus, for the divine Life that makes possible such a resurrection of dead is one and the same in the Father and the Son. If Stacey and I have the same bank account, and Stacey pays from it for cinema tickets, how is it possible that she does not spend also my money, for entire money we have jointly? Even more so with the Father and the Son, but in difference from my and Stacey's bank account, Their power never diminishes at any expenditure, for Their power is infinite.

Thus, when Logos resurrects His dead body, it can be both said that the God-Father resurrected Him (Acts 3:15) and that He-Logos resurrected His own body (John 10:18), for in the act of creation or resurrection the Father and the Son can but act simultaneously with the equal power and authority.

Answer 7

Before this question is closed as a duplicate, it seems prudent to post an answer based on the bible rather than personal interpretation and supposition.

Jesus was raised from the dead by his Father/God. There is no explicit text to say otherwise. Jesus made a statement about, ‘laying down his life and taking it up again’, but this must be read alongside the ~30 texts stating who actually raised him from being DEAD. It wasn’t Jesus raising himself. (No text stands alone)

He was raised IN the spirit (not BY any person of the spirit) - he didn't have a spirit life before as 1 Pet 3:19 states,

He was put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit

That Jesus was dead is indication of him being not alive - not alive in any way as he returned his spirit to the Father at death, Luke 23:46 and waited on God to raise him.

This fleshly, mortal life that he possessed as a man, pre-crucifixion, is not the life John 5:26 refers to.

'For just as the Father has life in Himself'... the Father alone is immortal 1 Tim 6:16

So to grant Jesus immortality when He raised him, God made Jesus to have a life that can never be taken away - like the Father's life. But not only is Jesus given immorality, he now has 'life within himself' - like the Father does.

1 Tim 6:16 reminds us that only God has immortality! Therefore, according to scripture, this does not include Jesus.

I charge you before God, the One giving life to all things, and Christ Jesus...v13

v16 (God) alone having immortality, dwelling in unapproachable light, whom no one of men has seen nor is able to see

v 17 Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honour and glory forever and ever

This doesn't reference Jesus at all. We ignore such plain statements at our peril.

We are not told anywhere that some 'eternal nature' lived on during the time of Jesus going to the grave. Jesus' spirit went to 'heaven' just as Stephen's did. Stephen is dead, awaiting the Lord's return. Jesus was raised according to plan as he was innocent and death could not legally hold him - after the pre-determined period of 3 days and 3 nights (Wed to Sat) he was raised.

Neither are we told of an eternal Son God who never died or who lives concurrently while the dead Jesus is in the grave. (An eternal son, like the Holy Spirit, has no name)

Using the traditional theology constructs, supposedly to head of rampant theories about the nature of God and His son delivered after the early church was sabotaged by political powers and influences, is of little value against the simple inspired truth of Jesus the man.

[And so we get the nonsense sprinkled through our bibles like the following altered text to bolster a feeble theology requiring texts to be changed and added like 1 John 5:7 and others to give some proof texts as support.

No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known. John 1:18]

John 6:57 As the living Father sent Me, and I live because of the Father, so he who eats Me, he also will live because of Me.

Jesus, until raised, was totally dependent on the Father, his God. He had no life to give, but anticipated this magnificent blessing when the mission was completed.

Thus it is written, “The first man Adam became a living being”; the last Adam became a life-giving spirit. 1 Cor 15:45

Truly, truly, I say to you, an hour is coming and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live John 5:25

So, does the Father and His son share the same life?

Only one is immortal- ever living without beginning or end. Jesus clearly had a beginning and we are not told otherwise. Using verses about being before Abraham or having glory must be interpreted according to a presupposed theology that blatantly ignores the plain speaking apostles and the words of Jesus stating he was a man... raised from the dead, exalted, given life - twice, made heir of the Father’s creation, given authority etc.

None of these truths align with Jesus being immortal or pre-existing his birth of Mary.

Yes, Jesus and His Father share the same life, as the Father has given of Himself to His faithful, obedient and loving son a life he never had before. Now he too has a life without end. Yet still, Jesus is not a spirit, by his own words, Luke 24:39

Look at My hands and My feet. It is I Myself. Touch Me and see—for a spirit does not have flesh and bones, as you see I have.”

John 8:40 But now you seek to kill Me, a Man who has told you the truth which I heard from God.

Answer 8

Are the two 'lives strong text' mentioned in John 5:26 the same?

The Bible talks of Jesus as having "life in Himself", but just before making this remarkable statement he said.

John 5: 22, 24-27 (NASB)

22 For not even the Father judges anyone, but He has given all judgment to the Son24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life. 25 Truly, truly, I say to you, an hour is coming and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live. 26 For just as the Father has life in Himself, even so He gave to the Son also to have life in Himself; 27 and He gave Him authority to execute judgment because He is [a]the Son of Man.

Here Jesus was referring to an extraordinary power bestowed upon him by the Father​ (Vs 22, 26,27) to resurrect the dead and to impart life to them. For just as the Father has life in Himself he also gave the Son to have life in Himself, this means that Jesus has been granted the powers to resurrect the dead.

Jesus is the one appointed by God to fulfill the prophecy of raising the dead to everlasting life on earth.

John 5:28-29 (NASB)

28 Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice, 29 and will come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment.

“All authority has been given to Me"

Matthew 28:18 (NASB)

18 And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.

Answer 9

John 5:26 For just as the Father has life in Himself, even so He gave to the Son also to have life in Himself.

Is Jesus' life now, the same as the life the Father has?

When Jesus was raised from the dead by his Father/God he was raised in the spirit - he didn't have a spirit life before as 1 Pet 3:19 states,

He was put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit

That Jesus was dead is indication of him being not alive - not alive in any way as he returned his spirit to the Father at death, Luke 23:46 and waited on God to raise him. (numerous verses state that unequivocally)

This fleshly, mortal life that he possessed as a man, pre crucifixion, is not the life John 5:26 refers to.

'For just as the Father has life in Himself'... the Father alone is immortal 1 Tim 6:16

So to grant Jesus immortality when He raised him, God made Jesus to have a life that can never be taken away - like the Father's life. But not only is Jesus given immorality, he now has 'life within himself' - like the Father does.

However, 1 Tim 6:16 reminds us that only God has immortality!

v 17 Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honour and glory forever and ever

This doesn't reference Jesus at all. If Jesus' life was the same as the Father's, wouldn't post resurrection verses include Jesus in the immortality descriptor? They just speak of God alone in this context?

Dottard quoted 1 John 5:11

And the testimony is this, that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son.

This does not refer to Jesus 'innate' life because he didn't have a life to give to others until raised - prior to that he was mortal and died in the flesh. We are not told anywhere that some 'eternal nature' lived on during this time of Jesus going to the grave. Jesus' spirit went to 'heaven' just as Stephen's did. Stephen is dead, awaiting the Lord's return. Jesus was raised according to plan as he was innocent and death could not legally hold him - after the pre-determined period of 3 days and 3 nights (Wed to Sat) he was raised.

John 6:57 As the living Father sent Me, and I live because of the Father, so he who eats Me, he also will live because of Me.

Jesus, until raised, was never not dependent on the Father, his God. He had no life to give, but anticipated this when the mission was completed.

Thus it is written, “The first man Adam became a living being”; the last Adam became a life-giving spirit. 1 Cor 15:45

Truly, truly, I say to you, an hour is coming and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live John 5:25

Is Jesus' life now, the same as the life the Father has?

It seems not quite. God is still God, Jesus is still not God, but has been exalted and blessed beyond measure - inheriting all that the Father has - including the ability to give of the life now within himself, to those who believe in him. Heb 1:2 "appointed heir of all things", and we joint heirs with him Rom 8:17