1

Luke 23:34 Jesus said, "Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing." And they divided up his clothes by casting lots.

When Jesus said, "Father, forgive them", whom were included in His mind? Does it include the High priests, Caiaphas, Herod, the Sanhedrin, etc. i.e., the rulers as in 1 Corinthians 2

7 No, we declare God’s wisdom, a mystery that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began. 8 None of the rulers of this age understood it, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

A secondary question is this: How significant is this forgiveness? Does it mean that whomever He forgave on the Cross were healed?

1
  • Jesus is asking the Father to forgive them. So the verse does not explicitly say if the Father honored this request. Did the Father honor this request? If so, what does this forgiveness entail? Excellent question, BTW. Jul 20 '20 at 22:30
2

In Luke 23:34, "forgive them" is a simple matter of following the antecedents.

  • In V33, "they" and "them" refers to the soldiers who carried out the orders of Pilate acting at the behest of the Jewish leadership

Thus, the immediate antecedent of the pronoun "them" in V34 is the soldiers. However, does this also include the Roman authorities and/or the Jewish leadership as well? Grammatically, it could be either or both. Let is examine the evidence of the rest of the NT.

  • Rom 3:23, 24, “… for all have sinned … and all are freely forgiven...”
  • Rom 5:15, “But the free gift is not like the offense. For if by the one man’s [Adam’s] offense many died, much more the grace of God and the gift by the grace of the one Man, Jesus Christ, abounded to the many.” [Note the same word, “many” applies to all people.]
  • Rom 5:18, “Therefore, as through one man’s offense judgment came to all people, resulting in condemnation, even so through one Man’s righteous act the free gift came to all people, resulting in justification of life.”
  • 2 Cor 5:14, “…we are convinced that one died for all, and therefore all died.”
  • 2 Cor 5:18, 19, “…God was reconciling the world to Himself in Christ …”
  • 1 Tim 2:6, “[Jesus Christ] gave Himself as a ransom for all people.”
  • Titus 2:11, “For the grace of God appeared bringing salvation to all people.”
  • Heb 2:9, “But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels, now crowned with glory and honor because he suffered death, so that by the grace of God he might taste death for everyone.”
  • 1 John 2:2, “He Himself [Jesus] is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours [Christians to whom John writes] only but also for the whole world.”

Thus, the forgiveness that Jesus offers is universal; BUT that does not mean that all will avail themselves of this free offer - many will not!

[I recall recently a famous footballer who ended up in custody because of serious drinking and drugs. After front-page news for 2 days, he asked to go on national TV to give an apology to everyone. At that confession, no one was informed of anything (everyone knew what had happened). However, it was only when he confessed and admitted his drink and drug problem that healing could begin.]

While Jesus forgives all, it is only when we acknowledge our condition by confession (1 John 1:9) that divine healing begins. We do not know how many soldiers or Roman authorities became Christians (Pilate never became a Christian as far as we know), but Jesus still forgave before anyone even asked!

1

When Jesus was on earth, he went about preaching the Kingdom of Heaven. And gave several teachings about how to ‘behave’, or ‘live’ under that Kingdom. The ‘Lords Prayer’ is included in this - that prayer is a ‘kingdom’ prayer. Now, forgiveness is a very important kingdom principle - not ‘just’ us asking God to forgive us, but also, in fact equally, ‘us’ forgiving other people who ‘sin’ against ‘us’. So Jesus had to ‘practice what he preached’. In some respects, he had to forgive them. It was ‘right’. And he had to live ‘right’ right up to the end.

Matthew 6:12 .... [Snip] for we ourselves forgive everyone indebted to us.

Mark 11:25 And when you stand praying, if you hold anything against anyone, forgive them, [Snip]

So this is the first part. But, if you want a ‘deeper’ answer as well, it was us that crucified the Lord. He was crucified because of us. So essentially, He is forgiving us, you and me.

Your secondary question - it means that this ‘sin’, of wrongfully crucifying him, illegally, as He had not broken the Mosaic Law, under which he was being put to death - would not be held against them. They were still under that ‘Law’, ( he hadn’t died yet), and under that Law, they could be held accountable for killing an innocent man.

0

The text seems self-explanatory:

32 ¶And there were also two other, malefactors, led with him to be put to death. 33 And when they were come to the place, which is called Calvary, there they crucified him, and the malefactors, one on the right hand, and the other on the left. 34 Then said Jesus: Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots. 35 And the people stood beholding. And the rulers also with them derided him, saying: He saved others; let him save himself, if he be Christ, the chosen of God. 36 And the soldiers also mocked him, coming to him, and offering him vinegar, 37  And saying: If thou be the king of the Jews, save thyself.

Your Answer

By clicking “Post Your Answer”, you agree to our terms of service, privacy policy and cookie policy

Not the answer you're looking for? Browse other questions tagged or ask your own question.