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We see in Rev, 14:1 that there are to be 144,000 (male) souls/holy ones, standing (on the heavenly Mount Zion) in unison with the Lamb, obviously singled out for special service. Then we see in Rev, 7: 9-17, that there is to be a great multitude (further worthy souls/holy ones) who will also reside in heaven after the great tribulation, both the 144,000 and the great multitude to experience the new millennial kingdom, as which pertains to the heavens.

BUT, as the new kingdom, under Christ, is to also encompass the (now paradisiacal) physical earth, who will these (presumably less than worthy, but still righteous) souls be, and will they also become immortal.

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In Matt, 6:10, it is implied that the kingdom, to come, will be on earth as it (already) is in heaven, by God's will. Who will be earthbound?

The Two Resurrection.

The Christians scriptures give emphasis to the first resurrection, to the gathering of the saints in Christ, the heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ. (Philippians 4:21, Romans 8:15-17). The resurrection to life in heaven is called the first resurrection (Rev. 20:6) and this occurs "during Christ’s presence." ( 1 Thes.2:19)

This shows that another resurrection will follow the resurrection of dead ones to life on the earth, like that of Lazarus, thus there are two resurrections. First, there is the resurrection to heavenly life. Second, there is the resurrection "of both the righteous and the unrighteous" with the opportunity to gain everlasting life on the earth.​( John 5:28-29 Rev. 20:13).

The Earthly resurrection,

Are those " Who will be earthbound.

Jesus says that all those in the tombs will hear his voice and come out.

John 5:28-29 (NASB)

28 "Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice, 29 and will come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment." (Similarly, Revelation 20:13 , Acts 24:15)

Revelation 20:12-13 (NASB)

12 "And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds."13 "And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead which were in them; and they were judged, every one of them according to their deeds."

The Hebrew scriptures also speak of the earthly resurrection,( Isaiah 26:19, Job 14:13) the religious faction "Pharisees" believed in the resurrection the "Sadducees" did not. (Acts 23:8) The Jews generally believed in the earthly resurrection and this is revealed in the reply that Martha, the sister of Lazarus gave to Jesus “I know that he will rise again in the resurrection on the last day.”( John11:24 NASB)

The Heavenly Resurrection.

Jesus was put to death as a human, but God resurrected him as a spirit, the apostle Peter explains :

1 Peter 3:18 (NASB) Compare 1 Cor. 15:3-6)

18 "For Christ also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust, so that He might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the [a]spirit;

Just before ascending to heaven, Jesus comforts His faithful disciples, that he is going to heaven to prepare a place for them. In Luke 12:32 he referred to those going to heaven as His " little flock."

John 14:1-10 (NASB)

14 “Do not let your heart be troubled; believe in God, believe also in Me. 2 In My Father’s house are many dwelling places; if it were not so, I would have told you; for I go to prepare a place for you.

Luke 12:32 (NASB)

32 Do not be afraid, little flock, for your Father has chosen gladly to give you the kingdom.

"Little Flock" means relatively few, but how many?

Revelation 14:1-4 (NASB)

The Lamb and the 144,000 on Mount Zion

14 Then I looked, and behold, the Lamb was standing on Mount Zion, and with Him one hundred and forty-four thousand, having His name and the name of His Father written on their foreheads.

In Matt, 6:10, it is implied that the kingdom to come, will be on earth.

No, it is not implied, it is an actual kingdom that God will establish to rule over the earth. Let us look at the prophecy at Daniel 2:44, it says.

Daniel 2:44 (NASB)

The Divine Kingdom

44" In the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom which will never be destroyed and that kingdom will not be [a]left for another people; it will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, but it will itself endure forever."

It tells us that in the days of those kings, that is while other kingdoms are in existence, God will establish his Kingdom, which will crush and replace all other kingdoms in the world. Humans will then enjoy paradise on earth.

Jesus said," Blessed are the meek for they will inherit the earth. "( Mt. 5:5 NET)

Death will be no more.

Revelation 21:3-4 (NASB)

3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne, saying, “Behold, the tabernacle of God is among men, and He will dwell among them, and they shall be His people, and God Himself will be among them, 4 and He will wipe away every tear from their eyes; and there will no longer be any death; there will no longer be any mourning, or crying, or pain; the first things have passed away.”

Crime ,wickedness and violence will be no more.

Psalm 37:10-11 (NASB)

10 "Yet a little while and the wicked man will be no more; And you will look carefully for his place and he will not be there. 11 But the humble will inherit the land And will delight themselves in abundant prosperity."

The earth will become a paradise.

Isaiah 65:21-24 (NET Bible)

21 "They will build houses and live in them; they will plant vineyards and eat their fruit. 22 No longer will they build a house only to have another live in it, or plant a vineyard only to have another eat its fruit, for my people will live as long as trees, and my chosen ones will enjoy to the fullest what they have produced. 23 They will not work in vain, or give birth to children that will experience disaster. For the Lord will bless their children and their descendants. 24 Before they even call out, I will respond; while they are still speaking, I will hear."

Compare others verses. Isaiah 11:6-9, 65:21-25, Psalm 67:6, 72:6 , Rev.11:18, Acts 24:15 John 5:5-9

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  • How refreshing. Of course there's the 3rd resurrection too but that's another story. – user48152 Jul 20 '20 at 2:29
  • I had started to think that I was going to have to answer my own question and then here you are and what a masterful and enlightening answer. This question (at least before I edited it) only needs/needed two more votes in order to be closed. I think you have made sure that that won't happen now. Our fellow Christians needed to be reminded/educated to the fact that it is not all just about heavenly aspirations. There will indeed be those that will aspire to immortality here on a soon to be paradisiacal earth. Thank you so much. You get my vote once again and my acceptance. – Olde English Jul 20 '20 at 6:49
  • Olde English Tks. – Ozzie Ozzie Jul 20 '20 at 13:45
  • user48152: Please give me the verses about the 3rd resurrection, I have never heard of it. – Ozzie Ozzie Jul 20 '20 at 13:49
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    Olde English: Paul gave Christians the following exhortation, "Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, rejoice!" Phil. 4:4 Paul was in prison when he wrote his epistle to the Philippians, this did not prevent him from rejoicing in the Lord. So do not let the anxieties of life, such as a downvote to take the joy from your heart. even if it is closed, it still remains open for people to read my answer. I urge you to also lodge your answer as further proof to mine, there are many other verses you can use. – Ozzie Ozzie Jul 21 '20 at 18:49
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In Matt, 6:10, it is implied that the kingdom, to come, will be on earth as it (already) is in heaven, by God's will. Who will be earthbound?

PARADISE on Earth as opposed to Heaven:

While growing up in England, within the Anglican Church, I was constantly being led to believe that when you die, your soul either went to heaven or hell, with no in between. One was either blessed to live on in heaven eternally, or one was cursed to live in eternal torment in hell. My preference, indeed most anyone's preference, was of course to be heaven bound and in any case, I was assured that only the nastiest of the nastiest were deserving of eternal torment. Over time, however, I came to a different understanding and I hope to expound on this at this time.

Heaven, apparently is not for all " righteous" souls, and hell (sheol) is just the grave.

The essential issue is: Where will the righteous be rewarded? And, to a lessor extent: When? It is not necessary for one to discover what makes a person righteous in God's sight, simply where are they to be rewarded - in heaven, or on earth? Let's look at the following bible verse:

"And no one has ascended into heaven, but he who descended from heaven, even the Son of Man" John 3:13 NASB

So, subsequent to the life, death, resurrection and ascension of, Jesus Christ, John records that NO ONE HAS ASCENDED TO HEAVEN, excepting that of Jesus Christ..... Peter says this about king David, who was described by God as:

"a man after My heart, who will do all My will" Acts 13:22 NASB

Peter also said:

For it was not David who ascended into heaven, but he himself says: 'the Lord (Jehovah), said to my lord, "Sit at my right hand, until I make thine enemies a footstool for thy feet."' Acts 2,34,35.

So, although he was definitely righteous, David did not ascend to heaven but was (and remains) in the grave (sheol) until the resurrection of the dead, as the apostle Paul later affirms - Acts 13:26.

WHAT THEN?

If people who have died are not in heaven, where are they? See Psalm 115:16, NASB:

"The heavens are the heavens of the Lord (Jehovah); but the earth He has given to the sons of men"

This is a wonderful promise; that this beautiful earth, at an appointed time, will be taken from man's misrule and, under God's control, will be given to mankind. In perfect accord with the prayer that Jesus taught his disciples:

" THY KINGDOM COME. THY WILL BE DONE, ON EARTH AS IT IS IN HEAVEN". Matt, 6:10 NASB

These well known words of the Lord's Prayer teach us all to pray for the time when God's kingdom (remember what it was initially like for Adam) will again be set up on earth.

See also the following:

"But the meek one's themselves will inherit the earth....." Psalm 37:11 NWT

"Blessed are the gentle, for they shall inherit the earth". * Matt, 5:5 NASB

"For evildoers themselves will be cut off, but those hoping in Jehovah, are the one's that will possess the earth". Psalm 37:9 NWT

"Hope in Jehovah and keep his way, and He will exalt you to take possession of the earth. When the wicked one's are cut off, you will see it". Psalm 37:34 NWT

Shout out to IMMORTALITY:

"The righteous, themselves, will possess the earth and they will reside forever upon it." Psalm 37:29 NWT

"and he shall wipe away every tear from their eyes; and there shall no longer be any death; there shall no longer be any mourning, or crying, or pain; the first (former) things have passed away". Rev, 21:4 NASB

"He (Jehovah) will actually swallow up death forever, and the sovereign Lord Jehovah will certainly wipe the tears from all faces, and the reproach of his people he will take away from all the earth, for Jehovah Himself has spoken it". Isaiah 25:8 NWT

The characteristics of the kingdom, Isaiah 65:17-25, NASB, incorporates the following:

New heavens and new earth:- Signifies a new government, new kingdom, new people.

"The wolf and the lamb shall graze together, and the lion shall eat straw like the Ox...."

In conclusion:

It is now somewhat evident, that beside the 144,000 special souls, who are to be engrossed with Christ in heaven, presumably to help govern the now earthly paradise, we also have a great multitude of other, more than righteous souls (see narrative, embodied in my question above) rewarded with eternal life in heaven, to live in close proximity with God.

OR DO WE??

Why should some righteous souls be rewarded with the heavenly life and some be seemingly somewhat less rewarded with earthly life??? (144,000 aside)

There would appear to be something more to all this than meets the eye, or is it the discerning senses.

Maybe there is another enterprising soul among us, who can discern the answer, which is not to impune the already excellent answer given. It just seems that there is more to be heard here, and I, for one, would love to hear any valid discourse.

ADDENDUM

"After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude, which no one could count, from every nation and (all) tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and the lamb, dressed in white robes; and there were palm branches in their hands." Rev, 7:9 NASB

On the face of the above verse, one can be forgiven for envisioning a great multitude of righteous people, other than the 144,000 of spiritual Israel (as opposed to natural Israel), talked about just prior to the above verse, standing, in heaven, before the throne and the lamb, suggesting heavenly reward also. However, the word "before" here, (e-no'pion), in the Greek, literally means "in (the) sight (of)" and is used several times of humans on earth who are "before" or "in the sight of" the Almighty. (1 Tim, 5:21; 2 Tim, 2:14; Romans 14:22; Gal, 1:20). Consequently, without expounding on the point with other clear evidence, it would seem that there may well be no heavenly reward for anyone, other than the 144,000. The great multitude of other righteous souls, along with even unrighteous souls (at least initially), who survive the tribulation, or are part of the 2nd resurrection, are to be those, in point of fact, to experience the "new" earth, as opposed to the "new" heaven.

Further more, as heaven is reserved for the 144,000 only, it stands to reason, that any hope of a so called "Rapture", must pertain only to the remaining ones of these, still on earth, at the time of the "2nd Advent", who will then have to experience "transfiguration" before taking on spiritual form, in order to be able to enter the heavenly realm.

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  • Olde English: An excellent answer, very well said +1 , What is your view of the spirit? – Ozzie Ozzie Jul 24 '20 at 8:07
  • Ozzie Ozzie: Thank you.... With regard to the spirit: Being a non Trinitarian, I don't believe in there being a 3rd Personage in the Godhead in the guise of, a nameless, Holy Spirit. To me one has the Almighty God, Jehovah, then one has the only begotten Son of God, namely Jesus, 2 distinctive spiritual personages, both with divinity. Then, simply put, one has "their" active force, spirit, breath (ruach), which is then infused into all "true believers" of God and Jesus, and in particular his (Jesus') sacrifice, in order that Mankind can be forgiven and have "Salvation". – Olde English Jul 24 '20 at 11:49
  • Olde English: I do not believe in the trinity either, it is a fourth-century invention by the pagans – Ozzie Ozzie Jul 24 '20 at 15:32

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