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Is there any other God greater than the one true God of Jesus Christ whom he said is greater than all, including Jesus Christ, John 10:29 and John 14:28?

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    No there is none greater than God. But that God includes the Father Son and Holy Spirit. Keep plugging away at it Alex!
    – Dottard
    May 6, 2020 at 11:14
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    @Dottard He's right you know. "You, the only true God" is a convertible proposition.
    – user33125
    May 6, 2020 at 23:37
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    I wish that you and @ThomasPearne would stop using this site to try to gain converts.
    – Dottard
    May 7, 2020 at 0:04
  • @Dottard According to Wallace it is. Nouns in simple apposition have an understood to-be verb.
    – user33125
    May 7, 2020 at 1:29
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    … and your point is? The act of you asserting via an obscure reference that this is a convertible proposition proves nothing. It remains a proposition not an argument nor reason
    – Dottard
    May 7, 2020 at 1:51

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In the Bible, the greatest teaching is expressed in the Shema:

שְׁמַ֖ע יִשְׂרָאֵ֑ל יְהוָ֥ה אֱלֹהֵ֖ינוּ יְהוָ֥ה ׀ אֶחָֽד

Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one.

This is repeated in numerous other places:

  • Deut 4:35, You were shown these things so that you would know that the LORD is God; there is no other besides Him.
  • Isa 44:6, "This is what the LORD says-- Israel's King and Redeemer, the LORD Almighty: I am the first and I am the last; apart from me there is no God."
  • Isa 45:5, 6, “I am the LORD, and there is no other; Besides Me there is no God. I will gird you, though you have not known Me; That men may know from the rising to the setting of the sun, That there is no one besides Me. I am the LORD, and there is no other.
  • 1 Cor 8:4, There is no God but one.
  • 1 Tim 1:17, Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory for ever and ever.

Let there be no doubt that the Bible is stridently monotheistic; no ifs, no buts about it.

This one God is the God we must know to the extent that we can know Him. In the Old Testament, God is referred to in many places as more than one person such as:

  • Zech 2:6-12 – the LORD (= YHWH) claims three times that He has been sent by the LORD.
  • Isa 48:11-16 – again, the LORD has been sent by the LORD.
  • Isa 63:7-10 – the LORD (described as a Father) sends His divine servant (the angel of His presence) and His Holy Spirit who is grieved (compare Ps 78:40).
  • Ex 23:20 – the angel of the LORD’s presence has the power to forgive sin (but will not). This and the previous reference clearly make the angel of the presence is the pre-incarnate Jesus.
  • Hos 1:7 – the LORD saves by the LORD their God.
  • Prov 30:1-4 – the Son of God is as unfathomable as God Himself.
  • Psalm 110 – “The LORD says to my Lord” – Jesus asked about this Psalm on how someone could be both Son and Lord of David – see Matt 22:44, Mark 12:36, Luke 20:42, Acts 2:34.
  • Ps 45 (quoted by Heb 1) talks about the “Son” being God in addition to God the Father (v6-8).

Thus, there is but one God. Note that God is Love (1 John 4:8, 16) and because God is eternal, God has always been love. Note this carefully: A single person cannot be ἀγάπη (agapē) love because this is primarily outwardly focused. For God to be ἀγάπη (agapē) love, God must be a mutuality of more than one person, else this statement has no meaning.

The NT clearly portrays this one God as a mutuality of three people Matt 3:16, 17, 12:28, 28:19, Mark 1:10,11, Luke 3:21, 22, John 1:32, 14:26, 15:26-16:14, Acts 2:33, 10:38, Rom 1:2-4, 8:9, 15:30, 1 Cor 6:11, 12:2-6, 2 Cor 13:14, Gal 3:11-14, 4:6, Eph 1:17, 2:18, 22, Titus 3:6, Heb 9:14, 10:29, 1 Peter 1:2, 3, 3:18, 4:14, Jude 20, 21.

CONCLUSION

There is no other God, but the one true God, and that one true God consists of three persons.

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    The trinity is never mentioned in the bible and Jesus never mentions he is God. Nothing in the bible can justify the trinity. Even the only verse 1 john 5:7 that mentions 3, was removed from the RSV as a fabrication. John 14:28 “You heard me say, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I (not equal or same). John 5:30 ‘cannot to anything myself. John 10:29 & 14:16, Matthew 12:28, Luke 11:20 and so much more I could go on and on - no evidence in bible. May 7, 2020 at 14:44
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    I did read your text it doesn’t advance your point, nothing proves 3=1 including Matt 28:19 - Shem Tob’s (or Shem Tov) Hebrew Gospel of Matthew which is translated from Hebrew to English by George Howard - Matt 28:19-20 go and (teach) them to carry out all things which I have commanded you forever. What you have quoted was not in the original early manuscripts. Eusebuis quotes: “Go ye, and make disciples of all the nations, teaching them to observe all things, whatsoever I have commanded you.” Considerable information on the web May 8, 2020 at 17:50
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    even than Matt 28:19 if correct doesn’t prove 3=1 3 different and Matthew 28:18 Then Jesus came to them and said,“All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. This contradicts (19) if Jesus is God why does he need authority to be given to him? the point you make if it’s not mentioned doesn’t make it untrue, basically you can believe whatever you want. May 8, 2020 at 18:03
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    @curiousdannii you can put it ‘one God in three Divine persons’ etc in my opinion it amounts to the same, agree or not agree. In any event no evidence in the bible that I have ever been show, more than welcome to prove me wrong with any evidence. May 9, 2020 at 15:14
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    @curiousdannii I respect that this is how you want to see it and that’s fine. To me trinity is illogical with no evidence. May 9, 2020 at 16:59
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The Bible is clear that there is but one God alone. This was the Hebraic understanding, and the belief that set Israel apart from "the nations" for millennia. The God of Israel promised them a Messiah.

Deuteronomy 4:35, 39

35 Unto thee it was shown, that thou mightest know that the LORD he is God; there is none else beside him. 39 Know therefore this day, and consider it in thine heart, that the LORD he is God in heaven above, and upon the earth beneath: there is none else.

Deuteronomy 6:4

Hear, O Israel: The LORD thy God is one LORD.
[Note in Mark 12:28-34 how Jesus and a Jewish scribe he encountered understood this text.]

Deuteronomy 32:39

See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand.

2 Samuel 7:22

Wherefore thou art great, O LORD God; for there is none like thee, neither is there any God beside thee, according to all that we have heard with our ears.

1 Kings 8:60

That all the people of the earth may know that the LORD is God, and that there is none else.

2 Kings 5:15

And he returned to the man of God, he and all his company, and came, and stood before him: and he said, Behold, now I know that there is no God in all the earth, but in Israel; now therefore, I pray thee, take a blessing of thy servant.

2 Kings 19:15

And Hezekiah prayed before the LORD, and said, O LORD God of Israel, which dwellest between the cherubims, thou art the God, even thou alone, of all the kingdoms of the earth; thou hast made heaven and earth.

1 Chronicles 17:20

O LORD, there is none like thee, neither is there any God beside thee, according to all that we have heard with our ears.

Nehemiah 9:6

Thou, even thou, art LORD alone; thou has made heaven, the heaven of heavens, with all their host, the earth, and all things that are therein, the seas, and all that is therein, and thou preservest them all; and the host of heaven worshippeth thee.

Psalm 18:31

For who is God save the LORD? or who is a rock save our God?

Psalm 86:10

For thou art great, and doest wondrous things: thou art God alone.

Isaiah 37:16, 20

16 O LORD of hosts, God of Israel, that dwellest between the cherubims, thou art the God, even thou alone, of all the kingdoms of the earth: thou has made heaven and earth. 20 Now therefore, O LORD our God, save us from his hand, that all the kingdoms of the earth may know that thou art the LORD, even thou only.

Isaiah 43:10,11

Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no savior.

Isaiah 44:6,8

Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God. Fear ye not, neither be afraid; have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.

Isaiah 44:24

Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;

Mark 12:29

And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments [is], Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:

1 Corinthians 8:4-6

4 As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one. 5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) 6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

1 Timothy 2:5

For [there is] one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

James 2:19

Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

Jude 1:25

To the only wise God our Saviour, [be] glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.

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Jesus clearly wants us to know that his Father is the ONLY true God. And he even points out that this is important for eternal life! This is a common theme all throughout scripture. Paul says "for us there is but one God, the Father" in 1Cor 8:6, and there is "one God and Father of us all" in Ephesians 4:6. These are two examples of hundreds.

A phrase that is never found in Scripture is "God the Son." That phrase is only found in church services.

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    @ Kenneth Joel - Thanks for your input. However, you need to deal with other phrases beside this particular one (God the Son) that point to the deity of Jesus, the Son. A "son emanating from the Father" or a "Son that is the express image of the Father" , etc., reflect the same concept. Expand your research and it will be a more accurate study. Keep studying the Bible; it will bring you closer to Jesus, our sinless Savior.
    – ray grant
    Apr 5 at 23:24
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    There are no biblical phrases for the Deity of Christ for me to refer to. So the onus is actually on you to provide phrases for it. In fact "Deity of Christ" is an oxymoron. Apr 6 at 20:46
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You've asked two similar, but significantly different questions, with quite opposite answers.

Yes:

Is there any other God other than the one true God of Jesus Christ?

2 Colossians 4:4 explicitly refers to Satan as "the god of this world".

Jesus won't claim that position for himself until he returns in the end-times, to found the Kingdom of God.

No:

Is there any other God greater than the one true God of Jesus Christ whom he said is greater than all, including Jesus Christ?

Nothing and no one is greater than the one true God. That is why he is referred to as "the one true God".

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    And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. (Matthew 28:18) Jesus sits on the throne in power now, today. He is not waiting for an earthly kingdom to become king or be given authority. He reigns from the throne at the right hand of God currently. Satan is called the "god of this age" but Jesus is reigning in this age over his subjects in the spiritual kingdom he established both on earth and in heaven. Apr 8 at 19:49
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    @Apologetics, you're expressing a very doctrinal position. From the perspective of those that accept only what the Bible says, Jesus has not yet received the throne. It isn't until Revelation 11:15 that we hear "The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.". For many denominations that take the word of the Bible over that of men, that hasn't happened yet. Apr 8 at 20:23
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    @ Ray Butterworth Colossians 1:13 "Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son." This passage in Colossians shows that God's sovereignty and power begin in the life of the Christian at conversion. The New International Version Study Bible explains that in this verse the word kingdom "does not here refer to a territory but to the authority, rule or sovereign power of a king. Here it means that the Christian is no longer under the dominion of evil (darkness) but under the benevolent rule of God's Son." Apr 8 at 21:23
  • You are free to make whatever misled assumptions you wish about what constitutes manmade doctrines. The Bible is clear that the Kingdom is a spiritual one. Churches that teach a "future" earthly kingdom in which Christ is seated on a literal throne of David are teaching carnal/earthly/physical Pharisaic doctrine. Luke 17:20 Now when He was asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, He answered them and said, “The kingdom of God does not come with observation; 21nor will they say, ‘See here!’ or ‘See there!’ For indeed, the kingdom of God is within you.” Apr 8 at 21:33
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Introduction

I have often heard some people making two bold claims with two verses from the Scripture just to try futilely to disprove that Lord Jesus is God.

The first one is the famous Shema in Deuteronomy 6:4 and the second one is Jesus’ own prayer in John 17:3.

Let us examine both in an impartial way depending only on the Scripture itself.

1) What about Shema?

The Unitarian viewpoint, for a very long time, highlighted the Shema of Deuteronomy 6:4 as an insurmountable hurdle for others. Let us look at it:

“Hear, O Israel, Jehovah (YHWH) our God (Elohim) is one (echad) Jehovah.”

Yahweh Elohim is one.

Here, the claim is that since Jehovah is one (echad), the Lord Jesus cannot be true God.

But strangely enough, Scripture itself clarifies who this “one Jehovah” is and what this “one” (echad) is.

“And Jehovah (YHWH) God (Elohim) said, Behold! The man has become as one (echad) of Us (Gen 3:22).

Yahweh Elohim is “Us”.

What?!

The one Yahweh Elohim talks about Himself as “Us” in the plural sense!!! Yet Yahweh Elohim is one (echad).

Objection

Now some may argue that in Gen 3:22, Yahweh Elohim was addressing some angels as “Us”.

If this is true, the same can be applied to the Shema in Deuteronomy 6:4 as well! Here the one Yahweh Elohim should include angels.

Besides, if Elohim included the angelic beings, then man would be a hybrid species; partly in God’s image and partly in angels’ image because the Scripture says:

“And God (Elohim) said, let Us make man in Our image, according to our likeness” (Gen 1:26).

But Scripture is emphatic; man is the image and likeness of God alone; he has no image or likeness of any angels.

2) What about John 17:3?

“And this is everlasting life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom You have sent” (John 17:3).

Does the above exclude Jesus from God?

First of all, to know God is everlasting life indeed. But why should we know a created being (if Jesus is not God) in order to receive eternal life? No need at all.

The word “God”

The word “God” is used for the Greek “Theos” in the New Testament. But, the Greek “Theos” is consistently used in the New Testament for the Hebrew word “Elohim” in the Old Testament. This was followed first in the Septuagint and would not have made any impact in the lives of Christians.

However, what is interesting to note is that Jesus Christ and His apostles followed the same tradition in the New Testament. So we consistently see that:

Elohim = Theos = God;

Yahweh = Kurios = Lord; and

Adonay = Kurios = Lord.

Elohim is a Plural Word

Elohim is a plural word used for singular meaning just like the words, “family”, “team”, “church” etc.

Majority of the times, the word “Elohim” is used for God in the singular sense with a singular verb. Yet, this word is also used for plural meanings to talk about other gods.

But there are rare occasions when “Elohim” is used with the plural meaning even in the case of the true God!

John 17:3

So, when Jesus said, “You are the only true God”, He meant, “You are the only true Elohim”!

Elohim is not an exclusive word but it is an inclusive word. It includes Jesus Christ also in the Godhead.

“Yes, the Word was Elohim and the Word was with Elohim” (John 1:1).

What Paul Says

The surprise doesn’t stop here. According to Paul, the Messiah Jesus is no one less than YHWH of the Old Testament.

Quoting Isaiah 45:23, which clearly refers to Yahweh, Paul says:

“that at the name of Jesus "every knee should bow," of heavenly ones, and earthly ones, and ones under the earth, and "every tongue should confess" that Jesus Christ is "Lord (Yahweh)," to the glory of God (Elohim) the Father” (Philip 2:10-11).

The Truth

The truth is, in the Old Testament, the Father God is called Yahweh. The pre-Incarnate Word of God (the Messenger of Yahweh) is also called Yahweh.

Yet there is one Elohim.

In the New Testament, majority of times Jesus is called the Lord (Yahweh). Yet we see the Father God is also called the Lord (Yahweh).

Yet there is one God = Theos = Elohim.

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  • Echad is a numerical adjective, the ordinary word for the number one. In counting in Hebrew one says , echad (one) sh'nayim (two). Even if the compound noun is made up of a number of parts or items, the word :echad" one which stands before it is not in any way altered because of its closeness to the compound noun. How would you as a proponent of one as a "compound one" explain Ecclesiastes 4:9 "two are better than one" Ecclesiastes 4:11. Genesis 2:24 does not mean that one is really plural. The idea of the plurality cannot be found in the word echad at all. Apr 7 at 0:32
  • @AlexBalilo - Fine. There is one bundle, one family, one team, one church, one nation, one Elohim. Apr 7 at 6:35
  • We've seen no evidence for Jesus is God. Apr 7 at 6:50
  • And you'll never see. Apr 7 at 7:18
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    Jesus is never called Lord (Yahweh). Jesus is called Lord (Kyrios). Apr 8 at 22:22

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