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Regarding Psalm 22:16

By Psalm 22:16, I mean "Dogs surround me, a pack of villains encircles me; they pierce my hands and my feet."

(v17 in the jewish verse numbering)

Is Psalms 22:16 missing from Qumran Dead Sea Scroll 4Q88/4QPs?

According to this article https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/trfolder/PDFs/Article+PDFs/psalm-22-16-like-a-lion-or-they-pierced.pdf

"Unfortunately, the Psalms Scroll found at Qumran did not include 22:16[17] because the manuscript was damaged at the very place where it would have appeared."

And he mentions that (while it's not in fragments from qumran, it's in the fragments from nahal chever and i've seen a picture of exactly where, so i'm not asking about that, i'm asking purely regarding the fragments of qumran scrolls)

If I look at the site dssenglish

http://dssenglishbible.com/psalms%2022.htm http://dssenglishbible.com/scroll4Q88.htm

it shows Psalm 22:16 in 4Q88 not missing.

It also shows the verse from the nahal chever fragments.

There's no question that the verse is in the nahal chever fragments.

But I can't tell if the verse is in the Qumran fragments too.

The dssenglish site suggests that it is in the qumran fragments in 4Q88 (From what I understand, 4Q means fourth qumran cave)

But that pdf I linked to says it is not in qumran scrolls.

This link https://www.deadseascrolls.org.il/explore-the-archive/manuscript/4Q88-1 shows 4Q88 fragments, but I can't tell where if anywhere Psalms 22:16 would be.

This link http://bhebrew.biblicalhumanities.org/viewtopic.php?t=777 mentions a book by ulrich on the qumran fragments

https://archive.org/details/TheBiblicalQumranScrolls/page/n99

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That suggests it's in 4QPs(which I think is aka 4Q88), fragments 1 and 2

I see this link that shows manuscript fragments

https://www.deadseascrolls.org.il/explore-the-archive/manuscript/4Q88-1

But as fragments don't have verse numbers I can't find it, whether it's there or not, or how much of v16 is there.

That might even suggest it's specifically fragment two, as it says f2, but I can't see what is what.

I understand that dots above the letters mean that the letters are unclear in the manuscript, but I can't determine where the unclear letters i'm looking for are. For the scroll of isaiah the .org.il site have some digital effects where you hover over a scroll and it shows chapter and verse, but they haven't done it for psalms.

I don't know if it is on fragment two, but this is fragment two, but looking at the link I mentioned, that shows all fragments

https://www.deadseascrolls.org.il/explore-the-archive/manuscript/4Q88-1

They let you zoom in on it on that website, it shows two images for fragment 2.

https://www.deadseascrolls.org.il/explore-the-archive/image/B-363360

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https://www.deadseascrolls.org.il/explore-the-archive/image/B-363361

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But as for where on that fragment the verse is or if it's on a different qumran fragment, I don't know?

  • It's definitely not in the images you have in the question. The tops of the letters are visible in this image, but none of the others seem to fit below it. Based on the transcription, the second fragment should clearly have ידי ורג with a big margin below. I suspect that any remnant of the alleged כר may already be visible in the bottom of the first image just before the crack at the bottom of the manuscript – b a Sep 11 at 13:22
  • This image (from Google's snippet view of DJD) has some more information, probably someone with the original could find the fragment more easily – b a Sep 11 at 13:25
  • not sure if this book logos.com/product/27979/4q88-psalms-f has anything, probably doesn't have the image. but may have some info.I guess DJD would be better – barlop Sep 11 at 22:26
  • Don't know if it would be useful for you or not, but there is a technical disc. of your query of Dead Sea Scroll for this Psalm on MiYodeya SE: judaism.stackexchange.com/questions/64954/… – tblue 2 days ago

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