What I am not asking

I am not asking who the giants are, nor, who the sons of God are. Nor am I asking what the event was that marks the before and afterwards.


In view of this passage

“There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.” ‭‭Genesis‬ ‭6:4‬ ‭

Specifically surrounding the phrase “and also afterwards” וגם אחרי כן

Whatever the ‘afterwards’ is

Based on the Hebrew text grammar, who or what was before and also afterwards?

  1. Giants were before and afterwards
  2. sons of God laying with the daughters of men and having offspring were before and afterwards

Which of these is it, or is it another explanation from within the immediate passage or broader context?

  • What version are you quoting ? Both the KJV and YLT punctuate differently and cast a different meaning altogether from what you are quoting. – Nigel J Sep 6 '19 at 3:15
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    I wish not to dwell on translations, it is the Hebrew that I am most interested in. I can’t quite see how a translation, a second hand document can relay with greater accuracy that which the original intended to convey. For if I were going to select a translation I would be tempted humanly speaking to choose according to my own prejudice and bias. And that would defeat the purpose of seeking truth, a non starter. But I do believe it was the NKJV that I quoted to answer your question @NigelJ – Nihil Sine Deo Sep 6 '19 at 3:57
  • The NKJV is not grammatical in this verse. 'When etc' is a clause. There is no verb to tell us what happened ... when. The verse in this version does not make sense. It isn't proper English. – Nigel J Sep 6 '19 at 4:16
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    Once again @NigelJ English translations or any other translation is not of concern to me, the original, does it point to the giants הנפלים or the sons of God בני האלהים ? – Nihil Sine Deo Sep 6 '19 at 4:31
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    Ok that’s a new idea @NigelJ, you are saying that all three groups were afterwards. And it’s at this point that I would like a second opinion on the Hebrew rather than continue to discuss a translation because I never understood this from the English before. I could quote this text in other languages and the translation makes it very clear it was only the giants that were before and afterwards. – Nihil Sine Deo Sep 6 '19 at 12:14

I will clarify. The sages teach that these Nephilim were angels who despised the humans for their sins and G-d told them that they wouldn't be able to stand up to the trial of not sinning, moreover that they will sin harder. Therefore they are called Nephilim - 'The fallen', and B'nei Ha'elokim - The sons of the mighty - which signifies both that they were with the almighty, and that they themselves were phisically huge.

Thus the event was before the flood when the humans sinned grieviously and the angels despised them etc.

  • That’s not what the sages taught but if you can include a reference I might consider your interpretation. The fallen angels and human women had children those are the Nephilim. Nimrod became a Nephilim and he wasn’t an ‘angel’ – Nihil Sine Deo Apr 23 at 0:08
  • Nimrod is definitly not from the Nefilim. And the sages, Jewish, say that explicitly in the Midrash rabah and, if I remember correctly, quoted by Rashi on the spot. – Samuel George Greenberger Apr 23 at 0:16
  • He was a Gibborim which in the Samaritan text both Gibborim and Nephilim are one and the same. – Nihil Sine Deo Apr 23 at 0:54
  • Not the same at all. Compare גיבורים נפילים in dictionary. Also study the story of Nimrod, he called to actively mutiny against G-d, he condemned Avraham to the fire, and he was the head king in the 4-5 kings war (Amrophel אמרפל). According to the Jewish original text. – Samuel George Greenberger Apr 23 at 1:48
  • Once again show me a reference that the Nephilim were the Benei Ha’Elohim and we can talk after. Until then the Nephilim are their children from the sons of God’s copulation with human women. – Nihil Sine Deo Apr 23 at 1:53

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