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What is the scriptural basis for the teaching that the 7th Trumpet introduces and contains the 7 bowls of wrath? The Bible doesn't specifically say so. Revelation 10:7 says, "In the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished. . .". Because of the phrase "in the days of", some people understand this verse to mean that the 7th Trumpet will sound over a prolonged period of time during which all 7 bowl judgments will play out. But we often ignore the next phrase that says "when he shall begin to sound" which actually qualifies the first phrase. Doesn't this second phrase indicate that the mystery of God will be finished the moment the 7th Trumpet begins to sound rather than the mystery being completed over a prolonged period of time? It seems to me that "in the days of" does not necessarily imply a prolonged period of time; it may mean that the 7th Trumpet was not going to immediately the statement was made in chapter 10 but at a later time.

Secondly, what constitutes the third woe judgment?

It appears the position one takes on the above questions depends on where one places the ministry of the Two Witnesses. The 7th Trumpet sounds in Revelation 11:15 shortly after the resurrection and ascension of the Two Witnesses. So, if you believe the ministry of the Two Witnesses occurs in the first half of the Tribulation, then you're likely to place the sounding of the 7th Trumpet at mid-Tribulation whereas if you think the Two Witnesses minister in the second half of the Tribulation, you will place the sounding of the 7th Trumpet on the very last day of the Tribulation. Now, if you believe the Two Witnesses minister in the second half of the Tribulation and that the 7th Trumpet sounds on the final day of the Tribulation as I do, it becomes difficult to sustain the view that the 7th Trumpet contains the 7 bowls of wrath for the obvious reason that there will be no time for all 7 bowl judgments to play out if the 7th Trumpet sounds on the final day of the Tribulation, the same day that Jesus returns to earth in glory. This is because all 7 bowl judgments will likely require at least a couple of weeks to be accomplished, rather than a single day.

I look forward to further insights on these issues.

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Re Does the 7th trumpet really contain the 7 bowls of wrath? and what constitutes the third woe? It's simple.Firstly the "third woe" Revelation 11:14 "The second woe is past .and behold the third woe cometh quickly." Verse 18a says quote " And the nations were angry,---Here we see very briefly put that the seventh trumpet would be marked by the nations being angry.This century has that mark upon it.There has been continually wars,revolutions, riots.One could go on and on .Its as long as a piece a string. Verse 18a ( continued) "and thy wrath is come " -- This is the era when God's wrath will be poured out upon all evil. Verse 18b says quote "--and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth. " It is also a time of judgement upon the earth to all who are destroyers.This would take in all evil systems of the world.Also people who destroy in a personal manner. Everything that is evil will be destroyed. Here is the third "woe". But it doesn't get better as seen in Verse 19b "- and there were lightnings and voices and thunderings and an earthquake and great hail. If this ain't a "woe", then nothing is. Also one should read REVELATION chapter 16 : 17 and 18 .Also 20 and 21 These verses tie in (dove-tail) exactly with what we have studied in chapter 11. Revelation 16:17 (again the third "woe") Same prophesy. Read REVELATION chapter 5 verse 1 note - "a book written within and on the backside,--" That is to say two books in one with many chapters running concurrently. Rev 16:17..And here we have the 7th vial/ bowl judgement. And a terrible one at that.(Woe). Revelation 16:17 a "And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air--" The last vial of God's wrath is poured out and our attention is drawn to the fact that it is being poured out into the air.It is very significant because the whole emphasis of modern warfare is centred on the sky above: bombs,long range rockets,spies in the sky,paratroopers forces dropping from the sky and other air borne weapons of war .Are part of the scene today. The LORD showed John way back in AD 96 that the last battle of the ages would be focused on the air."It is done " verse 17. This is the last vial of the judgement of God. Note that the seventh trumpet contains if you like only one bowl/vial judgement as discussed here. The previous six bowl/vial judgements as with the previous six trumpets are all all "yesterday's fish & chips. Note : we in our day are living within "spitting distance " of the 7th trumpet/vial. BE ENCOURAGED as the Lord says in Revelation chaper 16 verse 15 " ---Blessed is he (and she) that watcheth, and keepeth his (her) garments. Remember that his "CHURCH" is not appointed to his wrath.See I Thessalonions 5:9 Lovely verse of comfort to all of us living in this "time of the end of this age. "For God hath not appointed us to wrath , but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ." KJ Finish on Philippians 4:13 "I can do all thimgs through Christ which strengtheneth me." God Bless

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