“Who has ascended to heaven and come down? Who has gathered the wind in his fists? Who has wrapped up the waters in a garment? Who has established all the ends of the earth? What is his name, and what is his son's name? Surely you know!” Proverbs 30:4
The surrounding verses are very intriguing, almost appear like leading questions/statements.
“I have not learned wisdom, nor have I knowledge of the Holy One.” Proverbs 30:3
This is the preceding verse. One would like to think what the author has to say next is related or in relation to v3
“Every word of GOD proves true; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him.” Proverbs 30:5
And immediately afterwards a truth statement, as if to validate v4.
And just in case there is a temptation to reinterpret the obvious (apparently so) it’s followed by
“Do not add to his words, lest he rebuke you and you be found a liar.” Proverbs 30:6
v4 is sandwiched in between. So who is He and why is it so obvious “surely you know” who he is and who his son is?
I think that Sola Gratia did a fabulous job in his response. Really gave me a run for my money when he said that Israel is the name of the son. This is not a stomp-the-chumps question, I’d love to give him the check mark to this question.
The issues I have is that the text orders it this way, ascended and then descended. That seems possible at Creation the Father first ascended. And the context is about creation, as far as I can tell. The Mt Sinai example is great but it’s not obvious to me that the Father came on Mt. Sinai and furthermore that would require a descension first, so the order is wrong. Because if it’s Jesus who is does all these things in Egypt then either the son is not Israel or the father is Jesus and the son is Israel in v4.
Why v4 would talk about something like the Father descending centuries after Creation and then describe Creation seems inconsistent, out of place. I suppose if the Father can be placed as descending or ascending in the context of Israel then Israel is the answer or at least an answer.
I’m not convinced that Israel is the son that is being spoken of in v4. The NT clearly has it that it’s Jesus but I’d like OT texts that predates the Proverbs 30:4 passage to speak for themselves so as to address the idea that it was understood who the son was. Surely you know.
For instance Genesis 1:1 speaks of Gods (plural) in the beginning created Elohim eth... so that might indicate God and his son but it’s not conclusive that it is a son, it is indicative that it’s not a single El. J
I’m including this picture I saw online which sparked the whole reason for the question in the first place, it is not intended to be used as a measure of answering the question as was suggested it might be in the comments. It is not. I don’t know how valid this is. If you read the Hebrew it’s fascinating the coincidence.
Reason for answer choice
Sola Gratia explained that the father is the Creator, who from the NT we know to be Jesus and that Jesus’ son is Israel. Now whether the author of this verse knew it was Jesus or merely God in the generic doesn’t change its correct interpretation. So the acrostic is either misleading at the worst or coincidental at best. But it did help bring about an answer to a beautiful verse in Scripture. Thank you to all those who contributed especially to Sola Gratia and an honorable mention to ethos.