# Are the 1290 days in Daniel 12 related to the 2300 evenings and mornings in Daniel 8?

Daniel 12:6-11 ESV

6 And someone said to the man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the stream,[b] “How long shall it be till the end of these wonders?” 7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the stream; he raised his right hand and his left hand toward heaven and swore by him who lives forever that it would be for a time, times, and half a time, and that when the shattering of the power of the holy people comes to an end all these things would be finished. 11 And from the time that the regular burnt offering is taken away and the abomination that makes desolate is set up, there shall be 1,290 days

Daniel 8:13-14 ESV

13 Then I heard a holy one speaking, and another holy one said to the one who spoke, “For how long is the vision concerning the regular burnt offering, the transgression that makes desolate, and the giving over of the sanctuary and host to be trampled underfoot?” 14 And he said to me,[c] “For 2,300 evenings and mornings. Then the sanctuary shall be restored to its rightful state.”

There seems to be some parallels in the above texts

1) Two angels on the river banks speak to each other

2) Daily sacrifice is taken away

3) Abomination of Desolation

Could the 1290 days be a part of 2300 evenings and mornings?

• Some people do indeed suggest that the 2300 evenings-and-mornings are to be interpreted as 2300 / 2 = 1150 days, which would then indicate a crescendo of 1150, 1290, and 1335 days. Sep 25, 2018 at 1:33
• @Lucian That math would be irrational. If anything, you would multiply by two, instead of divide, because you have 2300 evenings and 2300 mornings. But studying the Hebrew should clear this up: it is simply being explicitly clear that these are 2300 full days--no other math is needed. Sep 28, 2021 at 2:09
• @Polyhat: Personally, I suspect the same, since the 2300 days would approximate 78 astronomical months (of 29.5306 days), and Babylonians were master astronomers, since Daniel was written in Aramaic, the official language of the three successive empires mentioned therein, and the immediately following chapter speaks of seventy groups of seven years each. Sep 28, 2021 at 8:45
• @Lucian To be clear, we should say that parts of Daniel were written in Aramaic--several chapters of it. Most was Hebrew and some of the vocabulary is Persian. That said, Daniel's prophecies follow the prophetic time formula that is embodied in the Hebrew word for day/time/year--a day represents a year (see Ezek. 4:4-6; Num. 14:34). Ezekiel lived in Babylon contemporaneously to Daniel, and the two were likely friends, both sharing the prophetic gift. Sep 28, 2021 at 11:21

No.

Dan. ch. 12 concerns the destruction of both Jerusalem and the temple in AD 70. Dan. ch. 8 concerns the desecration of the temple only.

The end of the prophesy of Dan. 12 is speaking of the end of the 490 years that Gabriel began telling him about in Dan. 9:24. Daniel chap. 9 through Dan. chap. 12 is the prophesy of the complete destruction of Jerusalem.

Dan. 9:24,

"Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city,... " (KJV)

The people and the city are identified as "thy people" and "thy holy city". Daniel's people were the Judeans (Jews) and Daniel's holy city was Jerusalem. This limits the prophesy so that it cannot be applied to any other than Daniel's people and city- the Jews and Jerusalem.

The prophesy continues on through all of chapters 10, 11 and 12.

We are told in Dan. ch.12 when the end of this prophesy would be.

Dan. 12:7,

"7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished."

The end of the 490 years was when the power of the holy people was scattered. The power of the holy people (the Jews) was centered in the council / sanhedrin which operated out of Jerusalem and the Herodian temple. It was scattered completely when that temple was destroyed in AD 70 and the genealogy was burned.

Dan. 12:11 defines the beginning and ending points of the 1290 days. From the beginning is the time the daily sacrifice was taken away, which happened during the Roman occupation around the fall of AD 66 when Eleazar, son of the High Priest Ananias ordered the gentile sacrifices and the peace offerings to Caesar to be stopped. This angered the Romans, and Josephus considered it to be the real beginning of the Roman-Jewish wars. (1)

The ending point of the 1290 days was when the "abomination of desolation" - that which caused the desolation or destruction - appeared. Christ references this prophesy in Matt. 24:15 when discussing the destruction of the temple. The abomination of desolation is defined in Luke 21:22.

"And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh." (KJV)

The abomination of desolation was the Roman army which besieged Jerusalem, and destroyed the city and tore down the temple so that not one stone was left upon another (Matt. 24:2). The end point of the 1290 days was approx. Sep 24 - 26, AD 70, also the first of Tishri, Yom Teruah, the Day of Trumpets.

See The Signs of the Feast, Parts I, II, and III for more information on the Day of Trumpets at my blog ShreddingTheVeil.

See also The Gathering of the Elect for some of the details of the Roman-Jewish war and the prophesy of the destruction of the temple from Matt. 24 and Luke 21 here.

Note 1:

The Daily Sacrifice Ceased - AD 66, by Ed Stevens here

– Xeno
Sep 28, 2021 at 2:27

Yes.

The answer I have used goes like this:

As recorded in Daniel 12:11-12, 1290 days = 1150 days after daily sacrifices taken away + 140 days when abomination set up. 45 days later the temple is cleansed. Antiochus Epiphanes dies. These are the days of the Maccabean revolt.

167 – 164 BC, 2300 evening and morning sacrifices taken away (1150 days) by Antiochus Epiphanes (Daniel 8:14)

See Commentary on the Old Testament C F Kell Franz Delitzsch You can find this in a Google search "1290 days antiochus"

Why yes they are related, they overlap each other, this is where the 1290 days and 1335 days, he that hath patients will remain until the 1335 days, well I guess that cat is out of the bag.