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Luke states the following in 1:35 :

και το γεννωμενον αγιον κληθησεται υιος θεου

also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God [KJV]

Note : My question relates to the TR text (I am quoting Stephens 1550) and I am aware that there is a variant (Scrivener 1881 notes it in italic) which includes εκ σου and which further complicates the issue. I wish to remain with the TR and to examine the translations from that text only.

My question is - where does 'thing' come from ?


'Born' is not a good translation of the verb γενναο, since 'born' in English may refer to the whole conception to delivery process or it may refer to delivery only. And in any case γεννωμενον is a present participle and there is nothing future about it.

Young's literal gives 'holy-begotten thing' for το γεννωμενον αγιον and the EGNT (Englishman's Greek New Testament) has 'the born holy thing'.

Mounce's Grammar tells me that γεννωμενον is the present participle in the middle/passive voice. And tells me that it is either the neuter singular nominative or the masculine singular accusative.

I suspect that translators are getting 'thing' from assuming that γεννωμενον is neuter singular nominative.


In 1:32, Luke reports :

και υοος υφιστου κληθησεται

and shall be called Son of the Highest [KJV]

This passive statement can be rearranged :

and Son of the Highest shall be called (he)

where Son is nominative and the invisible (he) would be an accusative.


Thus 1:35 could also be rearranged :

and 'Son of God' shall the being-begotten holy be called

Here, I have rendered 'being-begotten' as present tense since it translates a present participle and I have rendered it as 'begotten' to more accurately express γενναο.

(My rendering here agrees more with Young's Literal than with either KJV or EGNT.)

This shows that the nominative subject of the sentence is 'Son of God' and the predicate is 'the being-begotten holy be called' wherefore it is an accusative expression.

Therefore there is no 'thing'.

Γεννωμενον is masculine singular accusative (not neuter singular nominative) and αγιον is an adjective. There is no 'thing'.


The implications of the translation are considerable. If 'the being-begotten' refers to Deity and if it refers to a Divine begetting (the Father and the Son) then the meaning is not as traditionally has been accepted.

And if 'the holy' refers only to that which came from Mary - something separated in holiness from her - then 'thou shalt conceive', Luke 1:31 (συλληφη, from sullambano 'bring together') refers to a bringing together of that which is Divinely begotten (a present matter indicating an eternal begetting) and that which is separated, in holiness, from the virgin.


Am I correct in my assumption that 'thing' comes from a mistaken translation of a supposed nominative neuter (when it should be a masculine accusative) or is there somewhere else that translators are finding 'thing' ?

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  • Το παιδί search for to paidi in the Gospels. The neuter article shows it is a thing or implied baby. The verbs are not gendered but the pronoun. It can also be plasma (thing) but more likely paidi. Gennao means born or birth, the translation is fine.
    – Michael16
    Commented Oct 23, 2022 at 3:11
  • Gennna plasma glosbe.com/el/en/…
    – Michael16
    Commented Oct 23, 2022 at 3:25
  • @Michael16 Please see the accepted (properly referenced and substantial) answer.
    – Nigel J
    Commented Oct 23, 2022 at 18:35
  • I already read it. The translation is very literal in KJV. You expect with modern language and find objection that neuter cannot be used for a living thing.
    – Michael16
    Commented Oct 24, 2022 at 2:34

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The fact that the neuter is employed τὸ γεννώμενον ἅγιον indicates that the phrase is referring to the quality of being born holy and not the individual that is being born that way (see, e.g., Blass et al., A Greek Grammar of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature, §138(1)). A couple of similar examples:

John 3:6 (1900 KJV)

That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

τὸ γεγεννημένον ἐκ τῆς σαρκὸς σάρξ ἐστι· καὶ τὸ γεγεννημένον ἐκ τοῦ πνεύματος πνεῦμά ἐστι.

1 John 5:4

For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.

ὅτι πᾶν τὸ γεγεννημένον ἐκ τοῦ Θεοῦ νικᾷ τὸν κόσμον· καὶ αὕτη ἐστὶν ἡ νίκη ἡ νικήσασα τὸν κόσμον, ἡ πίστις ἡμῶν.

This helps explain, I think, why the word thing is inserted in English here. In my opinion, Holy One would have been a more pleasing translation.


A participle in the present tense may, in fact, sometimes indicate a future action: Blass et al. (op. cit.) includes Luke 1:35 as an example of this usage (op. cit., §339(2)).


I don't know whether any of the above relieves your concerns about γεννάω possibly meaning "begotten" rather than "born". The verb appears 97 times in the New Testament and with the exception of the genealogy in Matthew 1, the King James translates it as "born" in all but a few places - and in these places, the verb is in some past tense, not the present or future.


The verse you cite also contains a somewhat unusual usage of καλέω. One might be tempted, as you point out, to take τὸ γεννώμενον ἅγιον as the direct object of κληθησεται (shall be called), with υιος θεου as the subject. On this and other occasions, though, καλέω serves as an equivalent for the verb "to be", taking no direct object. Another instance of this is Matthew 2:23: Ναζωραῖος κληθήσεται - [He] shall be called a Nazarene, with Ναζωραῖος in the nominative instead of accusative. (This is all described in the Gingrich and Danker edition of Bauer's Greek English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature).

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  • τὸ, γεννώμενον, and ἅγιον are all nominative singular neuters
    – user33515
    Commented Feb 16, 2018 at 19:54
  • The neuter accusative and nominative endings of γεννώμενος and ἅγιος are the same and τὸ is the neuter article, also the same in the nominative and accusative. But in this case, it is understood that it is the nominative and not the accusative here. There is really nothing for το γεννωμενον αγιον to be the direct object of.
    – user33515
    Commented Feb 16, 2018 at 20:04
  • One would think, but κληθήσεται (καλέω) is a special case. It is sometimes used more or less in place of "to be" and ends up taking the nominative. Another case like this is Matthew 2:23: Ναζωραῖος κληθήσεται - [He] shall be called a Nazarene. One might expect Ναζωραῖος to be in the accusative case, since it is what he is being called, but it is not - it is nominative. There's a description of this in the entry for καλέω in Bauer's lexicon.
    – user33515
    Commented Feb 16, 2018 at 20:18
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    Believe me, I am much more inconsequential than you might possibly imagine :)
    – user33515
    Commented Feb 16, 2018 at 20:24
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    Ok. But my sources for the above are in the comments in the post. Blass' guide to Greek grammar and Bauer's lexicon. I learned some things researching your question (as I have in others you posted). I forgot to upvote the question, but I will now. For the record, though, I am an Eastern Orthodox Christian, self-taught in Greek, but with some background in Latin and other languages. By training, I am an electrical engineer.
    – user33515
    Commented Feb 16, 2018 at 20:28
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Here is what I get from the Greek:

Then the angel answered and said to her 1, "The Holy Spirit will come upon you and the power of the Highest will overshadow you. Consequently, the holy one who is born will be called the Son of God."
‒ Luke 1:35

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The verb γεννωμενον (parsed PPP-NNS) is being deployed as a noun. It has an article, το (NNS), so the options are: "the (one) while being born" or "the while being born (one)". Either makes sense to me as the author's means of referring to the child that would soon begin to develop in the womb of its mother, i.e. the process "while being born".

What to do with the adjective here, αγιον? Surely since it is the same case, gender and number as the proximate noun (NNS), then it's simply modifying that noun, i.e. the "holy" while being born (one) ==> the holy one who is born.

My experience with Greek indicates that if an adjective stands alone (i.e. it does not agree in case and/or number and/or gender with a proximate noun), then it modifies a generic noun -- a person, place, or thing, etc. Such is the case with υψιστου in the details above. In these cases I add a bracketed generic word to the gloss to indicate noun-type. For example, I have given "of highest (one)" or more simply "the Highest" for υψιστου, since a "person" of power is clearly what is intended in the context.

Now, for the Greek το γεννωμενον αγιον the KJV has that holy thing which shall be born of thee, that is:

  • αγιον = that holy thing (stand-alone adjective deployed as a noun);

  • το γεννωμενον = which shall be born of thee

Besides the translators' unusual treatment here of αγιον as a noun and not an adjective, they have also injected a 2nd person possessive "of thee" into the text that is nowhere found in the Greek.

I think I have a handle on what the KJV translators have done, but no clue as to why they have done it. I believe they were mistaken to have rendered the text as they did.


Note:
1. Strictly, και αποκριθεις ο αγγελος ειπεν αυτη should read something like "and after being answered, the angel said to the answerer".

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"to" (toh) means "it". "to" is neither masculine nor feminine.
"to" shows that Jesus Christ is spiritually the son of the divine masculine father God - and Jesus Christ is physically the son
of the human feminine mother Mary.
"to" tells us that Jesus Christ is both divine and human. "to" is the only Greek word I need to tell me that a lot of knowledge of Greek and grammar is not necessary
to tell me why "to" is used in Luke 1:35. "to" tells me:
Jesus Christ is divine
and human.

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  • There is no 'it' or 'thing' in the Greek text. You are referring to the neuter article, yes indeed. But that relates to 'begetting' . The concept is 'the begetting'. Not a 'thing'. But I take your point in regard to the neuter article. The question is, what 'begetting' is in view and I firmly believe that it is the eternal begetting of the Son that is in view. Then to that 'begetting' is added (from Mary) that which is 'holy'. Thank you for input and I have up-voted it.
    – Nigel J
    Commented Mar 2, 2023 at 4:54
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"And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God" (Luke 1:35). Today we see a very interesting way to describe Jesus, who has no beginning or ending, as "that Holy Thing." I took my study to the 1828 Noah Webster Dictionary. In doing so, I found that the word thing, in this sense, refers to, "Any Substance;" "any particular article or commodity." Jesus Christ, God the Son became flesh for one simple purpose—to save all mankind of their sin. The Holy Ghost provided the holy human seed that produced the living Son of God. This is not a mistranslation, but a very accurate way to inform us that Jesus, the image of the invisible God, came in the human form to be tempted as we are, suffer as we should and rise so we can life forever with Him. A human being easily falls into the category of a substance or a thing. It does not degrade Him in any fashion for He was described as "Holy," neither does it imply that He was created. You will find it a beneficial practice never to question the authority of the King James Bible, but accepted it as God’s Living, Holy Word. Easter is the season when we celebrate the Risen Saviour! Jesus, the "Holy Thing", the Son of God, and Redeemer is alive and well. He has bound His hands with every word written in the King James Bible. With this said, "How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher" (Romans 10:14)? It is up to us to either tell or send someone who will spread the Word, "And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things" (Romans 10:15)! Let’s all do our part to reach the world with the Good News of the Resurrected Saviour! Have a blessed day!

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  • But Jesus was created, in addition to being pre-existent. Hebrews 10:5 speaks of the "body" that was "prepared" for him. The human body was most certainly created, as there is no such thing as an uncreated human. All humans have been created by God. God could not possibly have created himself, and God is not human (see Numbers 23:19). The created human body was inhabited by God's own (Uncreated) presence, as touched on in John 14, 2 Corinthians 5:19, Proverbs 8:22, etc.
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The Book of Daniel stands behind the Lukan story. The prophecy of the Seventy Sevens has a clear prediction of the coming of the Messiah but there is a curious grammatical problem in the Hebrew of Daniel 9:24 that presages the problem we are addressing here. Many translations gloss the problem of a Most Holy (Thing) that will be anointed by saying Holy One. This uncertainty in the translation is understandable. It is almost as if Daniel wants to have it both ways. The context makes clear that a Messiah is being spoken about but the actual word is neuter. It would grammatically seem more appropriate to refer to the inner sanctum of the Temple. Jesus, however, is the new temple that will be destroyed and rebuilt in three days. He is the long-expected Messiah but He is also much more. Jesus is a Person but also part of the essence of God. This use of Hagion by Luke hints at this double reality and points us back to Daniel's prophecy of a Messiah who will be cut off and have nothing.

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