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Were "the Jews" in John 10:19-21 the same group of people or a different group than the ones mentioned in 10:24-39?
Some in vs 21 seem on the verge of believing in Him, while the ones in the second group of verses are ready to stone and arrest him. Since the Gospel of John often refers to "the Jews," how does the reader know specifically whom is being referred to? This is seen throughout the Gospel of John.
I agree with asking the question, for it is a perplexing one and one that troubled me in my younger days. John's book is about seven signs that, if believed, will result in one obtaining eternal life. But in the book there is revealed a false faith, also.
Many believed - something or other, apparently - but afterwards followed Jesus no more. In your quotes, I understand one party to be a part of the other party. Later, there is a a separation as true faith and false faith reveal themselves.
Nigel.
What basis is there for taking them as different? Jesus was a Messiah very different from what the Jews expected through tradition. Jesus and his disciples were Jews and usually the people he taught were Jews. The Jews, even Jesus' disciples, were often perplexed by Jesus' teachings. You would expect those who were not close followers of Jesus to swing back and forth on what they though about Jesus.
they formed a militia of low clergy, willing to defend the political interests of the ruling Jewish class in Jerusalem. The Sense is sociological.
John is to the New Testament what Moses is to the Old Testament: a simple and plain writer, and a distant, lofty, and unbiased historian. He has a birds-eye view, and was viewed as the "Eagle" among the four living creatures (which traditionally symbolize the four Evangelists). The beloved disciple.
"The Jews" are the Jews qua a people among other peoples: the majority of them rejected Jesus as the Messiah. It may also be a way of John (himself a Jew) distancing himself from his race in order to more fully associate with Messians (or Christians in Greek)—people who without respect to race or culture embrace the Anointed of God, who was prophesied to be sought by the Gentiles, and of whom the Gentiles would be made "priests instead of the Levites." John viewed himself a Christian first, and a Jew second. Just as a Catholic might say, "the Catholics at Rome allowed pagan idols to be worshiped," whereas idolatry is a mortal sin according to Catholicism (the First Commandment).
By the point of writing (any time after the Ascension), John (himself a Jew) could safely point to, "the Jews" in general as a people who rejected God in the flesh (Acts 2:36), without implying that every Jew did so (again, Himself a Jew, and the Messiah a Jew), just as one could point to a nation who had more or less given up its Christian heritage as not Christian, despite its remaining faithful adherents to Christianity.
