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Matthew 18:21-22 (NIV)

21 Then Peter came to Jesus and asked, “Lord, how many times shall I forgive my brother or sister who sins against me? Up to seven times?”
22 Jesus answered, “I tell you, not seven times, but seventy-seven times.

Matthew 18:21-22 (NLT)
21 Then Peter came to him and asked, “Lord, how often should I forgive someone who sins against me? Seven times?”
22 “No, not seven times,” Jesus replied, “but seventy times seven!

The NIV has 77 whereas the NLT has 490. Interestingly enough, the footnotes for each on BibleGateway say that it could also be translated the other way. So, in this case, the difference between 77 and 490 seems to be purely the translator's decision. This suggests that the Greek is ambiguous somehow...and I'm curious as to why.

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The ambiguity comes from a difference between the Hebrew Old Testament and the Septuagint (a Greek translation). Jesus is teaching to forgive by reversing the statement of Lamech in Genesis 4.

Gen 4:24 "If Cain is avenged sevenfold, Then Lamech seventy-sevenfold." (NASB)

The NASB follows the Hebrew which has שִׁבְעִים וְשִׁבְעָֽה (shib'iym wshib'ah), which means "seventy-seven."

Instead the Septuagint has ἑβδομηκοντάκις, (hebdomekontakis), which means "seventy times seven."

If Jesus quoted the Septuagint, then He said "seventy times seven." If He quoted the Hebrew, then He said "seventy seven (times)." A case could be made for either as both the Hebrew Scriptures and Greek translations of the same were in use in the Land.

A more important question than "which did He quote?" is "what is He teaching by it?" And in this case, whether He quoted the Hebrew or Greek, the teaching is the same.

The common thinking in Jesus' day was that you only had to forgive three times. Peter obviously thinks he is being very generous by saying he will forgive seven times when someone has hurt him. This is double the teaching plus one and is also the perfect number in Hebrew thought. Peter may have been drawing on such verses as Lev. 26:21; Deut. 28:25; Ps. 79:12; and Prov. 24:16, which speak of revenge and loss. Peter is saying that if revenge should be taken seven times, then forgiveness should also be offered seven times.

Jesus then raises the stakes. He alludes to Gen 4:24 where Lamech says that he is avenged more than Cain. Jesus turns the statement of revenge around and says that is the number of times we must forgive.

Though there is great numerical difference between seventy-seven and seventy times seven, it is not an important theological difference. Jesus is saying that His disciples should forgive as many times as it takes. If someone wrongs you once, you can recall that easily. If they wrong you three times, you can still number those rather easily. If you can list off seven times the person has wronged you, you are either keeping track or have an exceptional memory. But for either 77 or 490 wrongs, you are keeping track, and the question could be put to you have you ever forgiven even once?

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    The final sentence reminds me of 1 Corinthians 13: "Love...does not count up wrongdoing". Well said all around. – Jon Ericson Sep 20 '12 at 19:12
  • neat explanation i hadnt connected lamech to it before. makes sense. – Garet Claborn Sep 17 '17 at 16:30
  • Thanks Frank, I also wanted to add, Luke 3, the genealogy from Adam to Jesus. Jesus is the 77th generation. No coincidence. – seth Jan 18 '18 at 22:38
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Matthew 18:21-22 has a direct link to Daniel 9:24-26. It should be seventy times seven = 490 years when the Messiah, according to the prophecy in Daniel, was due to come and make reconciliation for sins. A partial list-> (Gal. 4:4-5, Matt. 1:21, Heb. 2:17, 10:1-18, Luke 24:44-47, 2Cor. 18:-21) Any other rendering is an error.

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    You need to expand this answer, quoting each of the verses that you cite, and explaining why each of these verses is pertinent to the question in the OP. – Abu Munir Ibn Ibrahim Feb 18 '18 at 10:47
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There is no ambiguity. the original form of the New Testament is ancient-greek, and says ἑβδομηκοντάκις ἑπτά. In ancient-greek ἑβδομηκοντάκις means seventy times, it doesn't mean anything else, no ambiguity. hence, "ἑβδομηκοντάκις ἑπτά" means "seventy times seven" ie 490. Of course, forgiveness, is not mathematical. the more we forgive, the better. The translations of the original, have many disagreements between them. Even a different letter, may change the original meaning. Lamech says seventy seven, God says "seventy-times seven" ie always. Love.

  • Even though your answer is, from a spiritual perspective, great, and it reveals your correct vision - we should always forgive, and forget, and start loving afresh - still it does not explain why this ambiguity was created so as to make some authoritative translators translate in one way, whereas the others - in another way. You just say affirmatively: "There is no ambiguity!" Period. But you should explain, that is the gist of the matter, why do you think there is no ambiguity and why some experts thought it otherwise. I guess, perhaps, because one of the mss has it ἑπτάκις instead of ἑπτά? – Levan Gigineishvili Feb 2 '18 at 22:09

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