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To answer the question, I'd like to elaborate on the challenge posted by @Living_by_Grace. If husbands are indeed commanded to submit to their wives, I'd like to provide a perspective on a shocking possibility that could be turned into a kal v'chomer argument.

There are scriptures that indicate both the Son submitting to the Father and the Father submitting to the Son, but is there a scholarly perspective where the Father submits to a believer?

There have been many published elaborations on a concept or paradigm called dialogism, first proposed by Mikhail Bakhtin.

Mikhail Bakhtin (1895–1975) started as a literary scholar, and his entire scholarship was coloured by literary perspectives. His 1929 book on Fyodor Dostoevsky (Bakhtin 1984) contains concepts and views that became important to his philosophy of the dialogic.

Picking up on Bakhtin's dialogism many scholars have examined its application to interactions between YHWH and humans as written in the Tanakh. Basically, the Tanakh is not God's monologue to humans, but rather a give-and-take dialogue. This is God submitting Himself to human requests, bargains, AND PRAYER.

There are many examples of this, including Moses and Abraham bargaining with God. God's willingness to listen to his creation and modify or change his will based on human input are both philosophically and theologically shocking!

Here's the Abstract to one such published paper on the subject:

This essay explores the question of a genealogy for dialogical thought and literature, as well as for its opposite mode: monological thought and writing. Mikhail Bakhtin argued that dialogical literature existed in antiquity, but did not elaborate much on this question and only briefly mentioned classical Hebrew examples. In fact, Bakhtin often construed the bible as the prime monological texts of European culture. Large parts of biblical Hebrew literature could, however, be seen as fundamentally dialogical. The dominance that monological modes of thought and writing (and reading!) exert today seems to rely to a great extent upon the spread of cultural literacy. If so, the monological bible is hardly more than a few centuries old.

https://bibleandcriticaltheory.com/issues/vol10-no1-2014/vol-10-no-1-2014-dialogism-monologism-and-cultural-literacy-classical-hebrew-literature-and-readers-epistemic-paradigms/

Thus, If the Father can submit himself to us, how much more in Christ should husbands be willing to submit themselves to their wives. Let me add that submission is emphatically not an admission of inferiority.

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On a practical level, many modern companies have adopted something called "post-heroic" management. This management style supersedes the archaic "heroic" management style.

A heroic manager has to be the best at everything and has to make all decisions. Any suggestion is an immediate threat to his authority and ego.

A post-heroic manager focuses on delegating, coordinating, and encouraging the best out of individual contributors who are his/her direct reports. A good post-heroic manager can recognizes something called "situational leadership," suppressing his/her ego to allow an expert in the circumstances to guide decisions.

Similarly, in a good marriage relationship--our marriage is in its 50th year--a wife often has the most insight into a situation, often such as concerning children, friends, priorities, and social situations. In my personal opinion, which was formed by hard experience, a husband who doesn't listen to his wife (especially, if she's a believer) is an idiot. Sorry, if I offended anyone.

To answer the question, I'd like to elaborate on the challenge posted by @Living_by_Grace. If husbands are indeed commanded to submit to their wives, I'd like to provide a perspective on a shocking possibility that could be turned into a kal v'chomer argument.

There are scriptures that indicate both the Son submitting to the Father and the Father submitting to the Son, but is there a scholarly perspective where the Father submits to a believer?

There have been many published elaborations on a concept or paradigm called dialogism, first proposed by Mikhail Bakhtin.

Mikhail Bakhtin (1895–1975) started as a literary scholar, and his entire scholarship was coloured by literary perspectives. His 1929 book on Fyodor Dostoevsky (Bakhtin 1984) contains concepts and views that became important to his philosophy of the dialogic.

Picking up on Bakhtin's dialogism many scholars have examined its application to interactions between YHWH and humans as written in the Tanakh. Basically, the Tanakh is not God's monologue to humans, but rather a give-and-take dialogue. This is God submitting Himself to human requests, bargains, AND PRAYER.

There are many examples of this, including Moses and Abraham bargaining with God. God's willingness to listen to his creation and modify or change his will based on human input are both philosophically and theologically shocking!

Here's the Abstract to one such published paper on the subject:

This essay explores the question of a genealogy for dialogical thought and literature, as well as for its opposite mode: monological thought and writing. Mikhail Bakhtin argued that dialogical literature existed in antiquity, but did not elaborate much on this question and only briefly mentioned classical Hebrew examples. In fact, Bakhtin often construed the bible as the prime monological texts of European culture. Large parts of biblical Hebrew literature could, however, be seen as fundamentally dialogical. The dominance that monological modes of thought and writing (and reading!) exert today seems to rely to a great extent upon the spread of cultural literacy. If so, the monological bible is hardly more than a few centuries old.

https://bibleandcriticaltheory.com/issues/vol10-no1-2014/vol-10-no-1-2014-dialogism-monologism-and-cultural-literacy-classical-hebrew-literature-and-readers-epistemic-paradigms/

Thus, If the Father can submit himself to us, how much more in Christ should husbands be willing to submit themselves to their wives.

To answer the question, I'd like to elaborate on the challenge posted by @Living_by_Grace. If husbands are indeed commanded to submit to their wives, I'd like to provide a perspective on a shocking possibility that could be turned into a kal v'chomer argument.

There are scriptures that indicate both the Son submitting to the Father and the Father submitting to the Son, but is there a scholarly perspective where the Father submits to a believer?

There have been many published elaborations on a concept or paradigm called dialogism, first proposed by Mikhail Bakhtin.

Mikhail Bakhtin (1895–1975) started as a literary scholar, and his entire scholarship was coloured by literary perspectives. His 1929 book on Fyodor Dostoevsky (Bakhtin 1984) contains concepts and views that became important to his philosophy of the dialogic.

Picking up on Bakhtin's dialogism many scholars have examined its application to interactions between YHWH and humans as written in the Tanakh. Basically, the Tanakh is not God's monologue to humans, but rather a give-and-take dialogue. This is God submitting Himself to human requests, bargains, AND PRAYER.

There are many examples of this, including Moses and Abraham bargaining with God. God's willingness to listen to his creation and modify or change his will based on human input are both philosophically and theologically shocking!

Here's the Abstract to one such published paper on the subject:

This essay explores the question of a genealogy for dialogical thought and literature, as well as for its opposite mode: monological thought and writing. Mikhail Bakhtin argued that dialogical literature existed in antiquity, but did not elaborate much on this question and only briefly mentioned classical Hebrew examples. In fact, Bakhtin often construed the bible as the prime monological texts of European culture. Large parts of biblical Hebrew literature could, however, be seen as fundamentally dialogical. The dominance that monological modes of thought and writing (and reading!) exert today seems to rely to a great extent upon the spread of cultural literacy. If so, the monological bible is hardly more than a few centuries old.

https://bibleandcriticaltheory.com/issues/vol10-no1-2014/vol-10-no-1-2014-dialogism-monologism-and-cultural-literacy-classical-hebrew-literature-and-readers-epistemic-paradigms/

Thus, If the Father can submit himself to us, how much more in Christ should husbands be willing to submit themselves to their wives. Let me add that submission is emphatically not an admission of inferiority.

Addendum

On a practical level, many modern companies have adopted something called "post-heroic" management. This management style supersedes the archaic "heroic" management style.

A heroic manager has to be the best at everything and has to make all decisions. Any suggestion is an immediate threat to his authority and ego.

A post-heroic manager focuses on delegating, coordinating, and encouraging the best out of individual contributors who are his/her direct reports. A good post-heroic manager can recognizes something called "situational leadership," suppressing his/her ego to allow an expert in the circumstances to guide decisions.

Similarly, in a good marriage relationship--our marriage is in its 50th year--a wife often has the most insight into a situation, often such as concerning children, friends, priorities, and social situations. In my personal opinion, which was formed by hard experience, a husband who doesn't listen to his wife (especially, if she's a believer) is an idiot. Sorry, if I offended anyone.

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To answer the question, I'd like to elaborate on the challenge posted by @Living_by_Grace. If husbands are indeed commanded to submit to their wives, I'd like to provide a perspective on a shocking possibility that could be turned into a kal v'chomer argument.

There are scriptures that indicate both the Son submitting to the Father and the Father submitting to the Son, but is there a scholarly perspective where the Father submits to a believer?

There have been many published elaborations on a concept or paradigm called dialogism, first proposed by Mikhail Bakhtin.

Mikhail Bakhtin (1895–1975) started as a literary scholar, and his entire scholarship was coloured by literary perspectives. His 1929 book on Fyodor Dostoevsky (Bakhtin 1984) contains concepts and views that became important to his philosophy of the dialogic.

Picking up on Bakhtin's dialogism many scholars have examined its application to interactions between YHWH and humans as written in the Tanakh. Basically, the Tanakh is not God's monologue to humans, but rather a give-and-take dialogue. This is God submitting Himself to human requests, bargains, AND PRAYER.

There are many examples of this, including Moses and Abraham bargaining with God. God's willingness to listen to his creation and modify or change his will based on human input are both philosophically and theologically shocking!

Here's the Abstract to one such published paper on the subject:

This essay explores the question of a genealogy for dialogical thought and literature, as well as for its opposite mode: monological thought and writing. Mikhail Bakhtin argued that dialogical literature existed in antiquity, but did not elaborate much on this question and only briefly mentioned classical Hebrew examples. In fact, Bakhtin often construed the bible as the prime monological texts of European culture. Large parts of biblical Hebrew literature could, however, be seen as fundamentally dialogical. The dominance that monological modes of thought and writing (and reading!) exert today seems to rely to a great extent upon the spread of cultural literacy. If so, the monological bible is hardly more than a few centuries old.

https://bibleandcriticaltheory.com/issues/vol10-no1-2014/vol-10-no-1-2014-dialogism-monologism-and-cultural-literacy-classical-hebrew-literature-and-readers-epistemic-paradigms/

Thus, If the Father can submit himself to us, how much more in Christ should husbands be willing to submit themselves to their wives.