Timeline for Prunes or Cleanses in John 15:1-4 ESV?
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| Mar 7 at 22:16 | comment | added | Nigel J | @Dottard I would not expect you to do otherwise, sir. | |
| Mar 7 at 22:15 | history | edited | Nigel J | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Mar 7 at 21:53 | comment | added | Dottard | @NigelJ - I am willing to accept the leaned wisdom of accepted lexicons. I do not attempt any "feel-like" etymologies. Even the outdated Thayer makes no association between these words but correctly lists them as unrelated. | |
| Mar 7 at 21:43 | comment | added | Nigel J | @Dottard So, on the evidence of one word (if one does not accept phonetic/visual association of the second) then the meaning of the word under discussion by the OP is still (by association) stronger than 'prune'. My own experience is that it does not feel like 'pruning', It feels like a purging. And the words in the bible agree with that experience. | |
| Mar 7 at 21:30 | comment | added | Nigel J | @brianpck To a Greek speaker, there would be a phonetic association in hearing the words and a visual association in the written word. So when looking for a meaning for a word used uniquely in the scripture I would still take into account these two words. But your research is interesting. Thank you. | |
| Mar 7 at 20:27 | comment | added | Dottard | @brianpck - OK - my etymology was quoted from Barklay Newman's lexicon. By all means, please quote a better/alternate source. | |
| Mar 7 at 20:22 | comment | added | brianpck | @Dottard You're right that they're unrelated, but you're not getting the etymology quite right. See the linked question for more info: καθαίρω isn't even related to κατα-, believe it or not. | |
| Mar 7 at 20:17 | comment | added | Dottard | @brianpck - agreed - καθαίρω = kata + airo = "down + take away", hence "prune, purge". On the other hand καθαιρέω = kata + haireomai = down + to choose/make one's own, hence to take down, ie, forcibly yank down, destroy, etc. Therefore, the answer is factually incorrect. The two words are unrelated. | |
| Mar 7 at 19:21 | comment | added | brianpck | By all accounts, these two words are etymologically unrelated, but I've asked a question elsewhere in Latin.SE to see if there is some relation. | |
| Mar 5 at 8:28 | history | answered | Nigel J | CC BY-SA 4.0 |