Timeline for What does "protoimasen/prepared beforehand" mean in Romans 9:23?
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| Mar 19 at 18:22 | comment | added | C. Stroud | Accepted on the basis of most helpful. | |
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| Feb 24 at 15:11 | comment | added | C. Stroud | I acknowledge receipt of your "We are in agreement, I think". Thanks. | |
| Feb 24 at 13:50 | comment | added | Nhi | The idea of “no distinction” is taken from the broader context of Romans (cf Ro 3:22, 10:12). You wrote, “No distinction yes as all from one lump, but distinction after…” We are in agreement, I think. The distinction comes after the fulfillment of what God has prepared. While the vessel is the same as the one before, what it contains is now completely different (cf Ro 9:10). | |
| Feb 23 at 15:20 | comment | added | C. Stroud | Your detailed look at morphological differences carries top weight for me. I question your "no distinctions". No distinction yes as all from one lump, but distinction after with those who are not given and those who are "given Me out of the world" John 17:6. I would be happy to chat omnipotence/free will with you in a chat room. | |
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| Feb 23 at 15:09 | comment | added | Nhi | Romans 9:21 says the Potter has the power; it does not say how and to what extent He exercises that power. IMO we are looking at a mystery that is beyond human comprehension, that of the coexistence of God's omnipotence and man's free will. | |
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| Feb 20 at 17:21 | comment | added | C. Stroud | Thanks. For me Psalm 46:10 does speak of final outcome "My purpose will be established and I will accomplish all my good pleasure". ie: apodo; we give back an account of our lives. | |
| Feb 16 at 18:29 | comment | added | Nhi | I agree with your point to a large extent. The word "blurs" was used for the very reason that is doesn't completely erase the distinctions between the two groups. That said, that everyone has sinned and been true to their given natures at some point challenges the notion some people were prepared for wrath while others were made for glory. | |
| Feb 16 at 18:07 | comment | added | C. Stroud | In contrast to your "blurs the distinctions" I tend to read v22-23 in the context of v21 where the potter makes 2 groups out of one lump. For me the "dishonour" group prepare themselves by being true to their potter given natures, but the "honour" are given by sovereign Potter a different nature to be true to. | |
| Feb 16 at 16:53 | comment | added | Nhi | Also, although it didn't include it in my response, I found Ellicott's commentary on Eph 2:10 to be very insightful (biblehub.com). | |
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| Feb 16 at 16:32 | history | answered | Nhi | CC BY-SA 4.0 |