Timeline for Is Rev. 14:9-11 speaking of torment after death, or of torment while they are still living?
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| Apr 25, 2023 at 0:53 | comment | added | Biblasia | @Cork88 The dead cannot be in heaven either, because "The dead praise not the LORD, neither any that go down into silence." (Psalm 115:17). Dead people are just exactly that--dead. They are not alive, in any form. They know nothing, they feel nothing, they sense nothing; they have no awareness. | |
| Apr 24, 2023 at 18:30 | comment | added | Cork88 | Ecclesiastes doesn’t negate consciousness after death, the dead “know nothing” is a truth to the reality of what is “done under the Sun” - not what comes after, and Ecclesiastes 9:10 doesn’t reinforce annihlationism either because the lack of “knowledge, wisdom, work, etc” are things done under the Sun, not in the afterlife. וְדַ֣עַת Just means “knowledge” - יָדַע means: “to know“, or “aware”. So to postulate that Ecclesiastes implies a denial of torment after death is untenable. “Eternal life” isn’t part of the second death, but pain is: (Rev 2:11). | |
| Apr 24, 2023 at 12:25 | history | answered | Biblasia | CC BY-SA 4.0 |