Timeline for Exodus 23:20 what is meant by “he won’t forgive you”
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| Mar 29, 2023 at 2:53 | comment | added | Nihil Sine Deo | @Dottard maybe you can help Anne out since you’re in agreement, why is it so obvious and unambiguous that this is a Christophany? Thank you in advance. | |
| Mar 29, 2023 at 1:02 | comment | added | Nihil Sine Deo | ”This confirms that it is this One who will either pardon, or refuse to pardon - verses 21 -22” I quote you and say that you have added to the passage. Please indicate where it says “will either pardon or refuse to pardon”. You says it’s unambiguous but I’m struggling to see how you arrive to this conclusion from the text or the context. Thank you | |
| Mar 29, 2023 at 0:44 | comment | added | Nihil Sine Deo | I would argue that the Lord that speaks to Moses is the Angel of the Lord a Christophany, see burning bush Exodus 3:2&4 and Stephen’s testimony Acts 7:38 Mt Sinai angel. And the angel being sent Exodus 23 &33 is merely an angel not divine but supernatural/spiritual. In light of the fact that you say “and God and this One” it appears you are assuming a Christophany which yes, if it were so, the angel could also forgive sins. But I don’t see how you built the argument that this indeed is a Christophany. I would welcome that missing link that assumes this to be proven. Thank you. | |
| Mar 28, 2023 at 23:58 | comment | added | Nihil Sine Deo | It is not established that the messenger in chapter 23 is THE Angel of the Lord merely on the grounds that His Name is in him. For chapter 23 speaks of this messenger and chapter 33:2 says God repeats the message that He will send a messenger but Moses insists that he wants God’s presence to go with them not the messenger. So the messenger is not necessarily The Angel of the Lord unless you assume it to be so. | |
| Mar 28, 2023 at 21:54 | comment | added | Dottard | +1. Agreed, God answer. | |
| Mar 28, 2023 at 17:34 | comment | added | Anne | @Nihil Sine Deo How you are thinking about this is not what I'm thinking. I don't think your illustration fits. There is no comparison in scripture between an employer and an employee, and God and this One. But we shall have to agree to see things differently, until one or the other of us has our eyes opened to something that was previously obscure to us. Perhaps some other answers will help to do this. | |
| Mar 28, 2023 at 17:26 | comment | added | Nihil Sine Deo | I don’t see ANYWHERE where it says this one has the capacity to forgive, solely that he cannot or will not. If Anne you can point to where it says he can forgive but not by deduction or inference then it would be clear that he is able to forgive. Example. If I say as owner of the company to my employees, listen to the manager because if you don’t he can’t pardon you. (And you’ll be fired). I have authorized him to represent me. That doesn’t mean the manager can choose not to fire the employee, it means he has no choice but to fire the employee, and that’s the extent of his authorization | |
| Mar 28, 2023 at 16:16 | history | answered | Anne | CC BY-SA 4.0 |