Timeline for How can we know WHEN Jesus became "Messiah the Prince" as per Dan, 9:25. Was it at his baptism; arrival on a donkey; or at his death?
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| Aug 21, 2023 at 13:49 | comment | added | Olde English | @MikeBorden - That was not in the same vein as a "spiritual" anointing, such as at his baptism and then subsequently his ascension. | |
| Aug 21, 2023 at 13:17 | comment | added | Mike Borden | Didn't a woman anoint Jesus prior to his death? | |
| Jun 15, 2023 at 23:18 | answer | added | ray grant | timeline score: 1 | |
| Apr 23, 2023 at 0:59 | comment | added | Olde English | @Austin - Well, I must admit that I have been back and forth on this. Strongs 5057, "Nagid", has "leader", at least within the NASB, more times than any other word, with "ruler" second. But, I appreciate the comments. | |
| Apr 22, 2023 at 23:12 | comment | added | Austin | @OldeEnglish, Interesting. Why rule out the heavenly position? Does the prophecy require it be fulfilled on Earth? I feel like leader has the potential to sound too informal. I believe the word is always associated with someone who has an official position over others. In the context of the prophecy regarding the entire house of Israel, it makes sense that the office for which he is leader should be over (at least) the entire people of Israel. Though he was previously anointed, like David, he did not officially hold the office he was anointed for until after death. | |
| Apr 22, 2023 at 21:26 | comment | added | Olde English | @Austin - Point taken, although I would go with "Leader" myself, and I don't necessarily think we should be engaging in any rhetoric that implies enthronement here, even though I have previously entertained the idea. Jesus does, after all, take up the throne after his resurrection, but that's all in the "heavenly" realm, whereas the prophecy is in particular reference to some time after the 69th Week, an "earthly" position it would seem. See my answer below. | |
| Apr 22, 2023 at 17:45 | comment | added | Austin | Prince is a bad translation in english conjuring up image of royalty not yet seated on the throne. Perhaps ruler is a better translation and we should being looking for the time at which the Messiah is enthroned. | |
| Apr 22, 2023 at 12:30 | answer | added | Olde English | timeline score: 1 | |
| Apr 7, 2023 at 22:22 | comment | added | Steve can help♦ | Well let's not forget that Jesus was recognised as Messiah/Christ/King from birth (Mr 2:2,4). The "Wise men" and the chief priests certainly see the Christ as one who is "born" that way, in Jesus' case. | |
| Apr 2, 2023 at 16:01 | comment | added | Olde English | @curiousdannii - Because to have truly become the "Messiah" there had to have been an anointing. His first official anointing came at his earthly baptism, by way of John's water baptism. The heavenly baptismal anointing, in the true "Holy of Holies", by way of the oil of gladness, see Heb 1:9, didn't come until after his resurrection. The Jewish people, as a whole, didn't get to observe, even if they didn't all recognize, his "Messiahship", as it were, until Nisan 10, of the year of his death. Jesus' birth, while extremely consequential, wasn't exactly an anointment IMO. | |
| Apr 1, 2023 at 13:07 | comment | added | curiousdannii♦ | Is there a reason you didn't list what would probably be the most common position: from birth? | |
| Mar 29, 2023 at 0:16 | comment | added | Olde English | @Anne ... cont'd ... it came to my attention recently, when watching Pastor Heitzig, in a "YouTube" Calvary Church video on the "70 Weeks" prophecy, Part 1 (he's a dispensationalist when it comes to Part 2, which I don't hold with), where he makes an interesting argument for Jesus becoming "Messiah the Prince" when he humbly identifies himself to the people of Jerusalem by riding into town on a donkey. Talk about grabbing one's attention. He having been only known in small circles before this. Heitzig then draws everyone's attention to Luke 19:40-44, which I think speaks for itself... | |
| Mar 28, 2023 at 16:45 | comment | added | Olde English | @Anne - Thank you for reminding me of that answer, not to mention the other one referenced in that answer, which I have again referenced in comments below. In those answers I suggest that Jesus could not have become "Messiah the Prince" until after his death and try and explain same to the best of my ability. However, ...tbc... (I have an appointment to keep)... | |
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| Mar 28, 2023 at 15:55 | comment | added | Anne | Given that you answered this previous (very similar question about the 69 weeks), it might be that you already have an answer in mind, as you hinted at in your answer. hermeneutics.stackexchange.com/questions/78742/… | |
| Mar 28, 2023 at 10:57 | history | edited | GratefulDisciple | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Mar 28, 2023 at 0:13 | answer | added | Dan Fefferman | timeline score: 1 | |
| Mar 27, 2023 at 20:35 | answer | added | Dottard | timeline score: 2 | |
| Mar 27, 2023 at 19:12 | history | asked | Olde English | CC BY-SA 4.0 |