Timeline for Matthew 12:40 - "heart of the earth": what does it mean?
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| Oct 17, 2022 at 2:53 | comment | added | Saber Truth Tiger | Daniel Gregg wrote a book defending his belief that Jesus rose from the dead on Saturday morning.. It's called the resurrection day of Messiah Yeshua. I don;t agree with his conclusions but it was an interesting and unique view, | |
| Oct 17, 2022 at 2:46 | comment | added | Saber Truth Tiger | The other six annual holy convocations were not called Sabbaths in the Hebrew and Christian scriptures but forbade only servile work, which was work at your occupations or strenuous labor. There are various theories of when Jesus rose from the dead, like late Sabbath afternoon just before Saturday sunset, Sunday morning early after Sabbath and some even argue for a Saturday morning resurrection. I believe Jesus died on a Friday afternoon about the ninth hour and rose sometime between Saturday sunset and Sunday sunrise. | |
| Oct 17, 2022 at 2:38 | comment | added | Saber Truth Tiger | Nisan 15 was NOT a Sabbath in the Scriptures unless it fell on the weekly Sabbath. There were seven annual holy convocations listed in Leviticus 23 and the only one of them called a Sabbath was the Day of Atonement, also known as Yom Kippur. The weekly Sabbath and Yom Kippur forbade work of any kind and were called Sabbaths but the other six holy convocations were never called Sabbaths. The ancient Israelites did not believe Nisan 15 was a Sabbath. Later, some time after the fall of Judah, the oral law emerged to indicate that Nisan 15 was a Sabbath but it had no scriptiral support. | |
| Oct 17, 2022 at 2:30 | comment | added | Nihil Sine Deo | Lev23:39 will show you that sabbath is not always the seventh day, the seventh day however is always a sabbath. Sabbath is a holy day set aside, all seventh days are set aside but so are other days and they too are sabbath days. The first day is the day of death agreed that’s how Hebrews count, therefore it’s Thursday NOT Friday otherwise Monday is the first day of the week and Monday is the second day of the week. | |
| Oct 17, 2022 at 1:47 | comment | added | Maximus1987 | @SaberTruthTiger yes it did. And Jesus was crucified on Nisan 14; what’s the problem? | |
| Oct 17, 2022 at 1:35 | comment | added | Saber Truth Tiger | Nisan 15 fell on a weekly Sabbath the year Jesus was crucified. | |
| Oct 17, 2022 at 1:33 | comment | added | Saber Truth Tiger | Nowhere in the Hebrew and Christian Scriptures is Nisan 15, the day AFTER Jesus died, called a Sabbath. The idea of a Nisan 15 Sabbath did not come from the Bible, it was a tradition that emerged long after the Torah was written. The Pharisees believed Nisan 15 was a Sabbath but it wasn't. The Sadducees interpreted the Torah literally unlike the Pharisees who put more emphasis on the oral law. The Sadducees believed the written law superseded the oral law. And nowhere in the written law was Nisan 15 called a Sabbath. | |
| Oct 16, 2022 at 20:46 | comment | added | Maximus1987 | @NihilSineDeo since the word for sabbath is defined as the 7th day, yes He was. And inclusive counting is used so “on the third day” means the first day is the day of death. | |
| Oct 16, 2022 at 20:22 | comment | added | Nihil Sine Deo | Jesus couldn’t have died on a Friday, it was a double Sabbath week, He died Thursday, was dead Friday, Saturday, and Sunday He resurrected first day of the week Luke24:1. Your other issues you’ll run into is the Masoretic text removed hundreds of years from genealogies so Daniel’s prophecy doesn’t align to the time Jesus was on earth, and the Calendar has been corrupted from the very original calendar. | |
| Oct 16, 2022 at 18:27 | answer | added | Saber Truth Tiger | timeline score: 0 | |
| Oct 3, 2022 at 0:18 | comment | added | Olde English | @SaberTruthTiger - Now you are being truly ridiculous. You really need to get away from this thread. I will not be responding to any further comments from you here. | |
| Oct 2, 2022 at 21:21 | comment | added | Saber Truth Tiger | @Olde English do you believe that Paul's first letter to the Church at Corinth is ridiculously long? If not, why not? | |
| Oct 1, 2022 at 19:01 | comment | added | Saber Truth Tiger | @Olde English Just think my long answer as being a part of a small book you can get on Amazon. I would love to read your exchanges with Maximus | |
| Oct 1, 2022 at 15:28 | comment | added | Saber Truth Tiger | @Olde English Yes, it was very long. I wanted to cover ever possible objection to my position as I could. The reason the two were 11 months apart was I edited one time too many (11 months later) and I could not fit my reply into one answer so I had to cut and paste the bottom part of the original post into a second part. Unfortunately the second part was at the bottom of the page and was removed from part One. I don't know what else to do. All the points were important to my answer. I may reply with a summary. | |
| Oct 1, 2022 at 3:34 | comment | added | Olde English | @SaberTruthTiger - At this point I'm not so sure there's going to be any further discussion. The OP seems to have had a change of "heart". In any case, both of us would have to agree to your request. I myself am not too familiar with what you have had to say on this site. I did, however, see your 2 part answer to:- can Nissan 15 be referred to as the sabbath?, which although probably very informative (did not read much past the initial paragraphs), was ridiculously long and therefore superfluous to requirements and then the 2nd (ridiculously long) part was 11 months later !?!?!? | |
| Sep 30, 2022 at 21:16 | comment | added | Saber Truth Tiger | @Olde English Can I view the discussion too? | |
| Sep 28, 2022 at 23:18 | comment | added | Olde English | I just opened an official "Chat" room, headed up "Heart of the Earth", only you and I are designated to be in it. So you just click onto "Chat Rooms", I think at the bottom of your opening page, which always comes up automatically when you enter the BH site and all "Chat Rooms" come up but you just click on to the one headed up "Heart of the Earth" and type your message, then hit send. As far as I've been able to ascertain, neither of us get notified when the other sends, so we have to keep visiting the room on a daily basis I guess, or stay in the room whenever plausible. | |
| Sep 28, 2022 at 16:31 | comment | added | Maximus1987 | @OldeEnglish do you know how to move our entire conversation from the comments to a discussion thread? There's still more to discuss. I mean actually remove any comments where you and I reference each other to a discussion thread. | |
| Sep 28, 2022 at 14:19 | comment | added | Olde English | Thank you so much for this. Even though it hurts to realize one has been in error for so long, I'm glad I was open to the correction. Well of course Tishri 1 3 BC + 31 gets us to Tishri 1 29 AD, which will still synchronize with Tiberius' fifteenth year and the 3 1/2 year ministry of Jesus, then curtailed by his death on Nisan 14, Friday 3rd, 33 AD. Not so??? | |
| Sep 28, 2022 at 6:33 | comment | added | Maximus1987 | @OldeEnglish just so we’re clear Tishri 1 3BC + 30 = Tishri 1 28 AD. I don’t see how the date of His baptism matters unless you are trying to synchronize it with “the fifteenth year”. Most important is that it is impossible for Resurrection to be AD 30 because 3 Passovers were mentioned. Back to back: 29, 30, 31 but Nisan 14 must be Friday so 33 AD it is. | |
| Sep 27, 2022 at 21:40 | comment | added | Olde English | WELL, Well, well... Just spent the morning reading snippets of books and watching videos regarding "Jesus September 11, 3 BC" Although I hate to say it, you may have stumbled onto what could be a very big truth here. I even enacted "Stellarium" but I'll have to look at that again, as I didn't have the evening time-frame down and it all went down below the horizon line. It doesn't, however, alter my perceived dating for Jesus' baptism and death. It just means that as far as Luke 3:23 is concerned, Jesus was almost 31, if not already 31.... about 30 years of age still works. | |
| Sep 27, 2022 at 15:21 | comment | added | Maximus1987 | @OldeEnglish there's nothing to post: google "Jesus September 11, 3 BC". | |
| Sep 27, 2022 at 8:52 | comment | added | Olde English | Try giving an actual written, concise, answer for once, for crying out loud. You've never posted a single one in over 2 years of you being a BH member, which I find to be somewhat crazy. I haven't written many, compared to some I could mention on this site, but I have at least posted over 60. | |
| Sep 27, 2022 at 8:42 | comment | added | Olde English | Where do you get this stuff? And are you plagiarizing someone here?? In any case, Jesus was a Fall baby, not a Summer baby. There were also 4 Passovers that Jesus witnessed during his ministry, which by all accounts did indeed last for 3 1/2 years, if we include John 5:1 as being a Passover feast, which many a theologian does. You utilize "stellarium" to try and prove Jesus' birth and yet nobody knows the precise night/evening hour, not to mention actual date of his birth, which one would need to know in order to truly ascertain the moons position in relation to the feet of the woman. | |
| Sep 27, 2022 at 3:24 | comment | added | Maximus1987 | @OldeEnglish Jesus born Sep 11, 3 BC. [1] Rev 12 sign. [2] This is on Tishri 1 i.e. "at the last trump". Kings were crowned on the Feast of Trumpets. Min age for priesthood is 30: +30 Jewish years = fall 28 AD. 3 Passovers were mentioned so soonest resurrection is 31 AD but soonest Nisan 14, Friday is AD 33. The end. | |
| Sep 27, 2022 at 0:51 | comment | added | Olde English | The theory that you must/may have read, before Robert's answer here (see my comment to him below) was probably my answer, incorporating Jesus' arrest on the Thursday (the 1st night of the 3 nights), within the subjected 3 days and 3 nights, and I actually mention the elusive link to Robert, so you can now see it again for your further consideration. | |
| Sep 27, 2022 at 0:28 | comment | added | Olde English | Am I now to understand that you actually do believe that Jesus died on a Friday, Nisan 14, which you yourself said could only have been in 33 AD, in one of your comments, given just last week, regarding your Q. Daniel 9:25 - what is end point of 69 weeks?. Now if you could only get the birth and baptism dates right, which would have to have been in the Fall of 2 BC and Fall of 29 AD, respectively, seeing that the general consensus of opinion is that Jesus was 33 1/2 years old when he died, not to mention 30 years old at his baptism, you would be well on your way ..... | |
| Sep 24, 2022 at 21:00 | history | tweeted | twitter.com/StackBibleHerm/status/1573779320371384324 | ||
| Sep 23, 2022 at 20:08 | answer | added | Jeffrey Enriquez | timeline score: 0 | |
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| Sep 23, 2022 at 17:26 | answer | added | Sola Gratia | timeline score: 1 | |
| Sep 23, 2022 at 15:56 | answer | added | agarza | timeline score: 1 | |
| Sep 23, 2022 at 15:19 | history | edited | agarza | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Sep 22, 2022 at 22:50 | answer | added | Dottard | timeline score: 2 | |
| Sep 22, 2022 at 19:53 | answer | added | Robert | timeline score: 3 | |
| Sep 22, 2022 at 19:25 | history | asked | Maximus1987 | CC BY-SA 4.0 |