Timeline for Does Mark 10:6 imply a short (literal) creation week?
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| Mar 29, 2022 at 18:17 | comment | added | The Editor | @HoldToTheRod Thank you for that explanation. I looked at Matthew 19:8, which you referenced, and it says "from the beginning" (NKJV) while Mark 10:6 is more specific/informative, "from the beginning of the creation" (NKJV, emphasis mine). Instead of interpreting the specific (Mark 10:6) in light of the general (Matt. 19:8), should we understand the general ("from the beginning," Matt. 19:8) in light of the more informative, specific phrase ("from the beginning of the creation")? Everywhere else, I'm not sure "the beginning of creation" clearly references anything but the world/Universe. | |
| Mar 26, 2022 at 1:22 | comment | added | Hold To The Rod | @TheEditor thanks for the question. My thoughts are presented in the 1st paragraph of my answer--the beginning of the creation of what? Could be the universe. Or the earth (as in Eph 2:15, which gratefully is explicit). Or humanity. Genesis breaks creation into segments, each of which have a similar beginning and end. Similar language could describe the beginning of the fallen world, Israel, the Mosaic law, etc. I believe Matt. 19:8 provides good contextual reason to believe this teaching is about Adam & Eve, not the universe; I find Mark 10:6 neither favors nor opposes the view in the OP. | |
| Mar 26, 2022 at 1:15 | comment | added | Hold To The Rod | I submit that there is no unambiguous usage of κτίζω to mean "creation out of nothing" in the New Testament, which is why the early Christian writers who supported creation ex-nihilo used 2 Maccabees, not the New Testament, as a proof text. | |
| Mar 26, 2022 at 1:15 | comment | added | Hold To The Rod | @mbomb007 sure thing. My argument is not that it cannot mean creation out of nothing, but that it doesn't necessarily mean that. For example, it's used in 2 Cor 5:17 & Gal 6:15 to refer to things created out of something else. κτίσις comes from the verb κτίζω, which Strong's concordance defines as "create, form, shape, make". This verb is used in, e.g. Eph 2:15 & 4:24, 1 Cor 11:9, Matt 19:4 to refer to creating something out of things which already exist. | |
| Mar 25, 2022 at 21:24 | comment | added | The Editor | @HoldToTheRod While "beginning" is broad by itself, would "beginning of the creation" refer specifically to the beginning of the Universe? Compare Mark 13:19; Ephesians 3:9; 2 Peter 3:4. What are your thoughts? :) | |
| Mar 25, 2022 at 18:25 | comment | added | mbomb007 | @HoldToTheRod Do you have evidence to support your disagreement? The concordances of the Bible say that that word has been used explicitly to mean creation ex nihilo since Homer's time prior to the writing of the New Testament, meaning that the standard usage of the term at the time this part of the Bible was written meant creation out of nothing. | |
| Mar 25, 2022 at 1:39 | comment | added | Hold To The Rod | @mbomb007 while I agree mankind was not made out of nothing, I respectfully disagree that ktisis necessarily means creation out of nothing. It can also mean to form or to mold (implying there is existing material) | |
| Mar 24, 2022 at 19:56 | comment | added | mbomb007 | This focuses on the word "beginning", however, Mark 10:6 contains both that word AND "creation". The word for creation "ktisis" refers to creation ex nihilo, out of nothing. Mankind was not made of nothing, but of the dust God had already created. So I'd say this answer is a bit lacking in addressing that | |
| Mar 24, 2022 at 4:27 | comment | added | Rajesh | Great answer. +1 :) | |
| Mar 24, 2022 at 4:24 | history | answered | Hold To The Rod | CC BY-SA 4.0 |