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| Mar 7, 2022 at 14:36 | comment | added | Cork88 | I think this forum may be edifying to you: reddit.com/r/AskBibleScholars/comments/adn410/… Also, I am aware of God’s predetermined purpose for Christ’s “being handed over” or betrayal & death, see: Acts 4:25-28. | |
| Mar 7, 2022 at 9:08 | comment | added | Gary Hughes | Following Wm. Klassen, “Judas:Betrayer or Friend of Jesus,” nobody “betrayed” Jesus. “Paradidomi” meant give up/hand over/deliver and more, but it did not connote treachery when the evangelist’s wrote their gospels. The word “betray” does not belong in the canonical gospels; it is an anachronism there. As for delivering Jesus, God is the primary deliverer, and Jesus himself the secondary deliverer. Judas is only the tertiary deliverer, and he delivered him not as an act of betrayal, but as the one Jesus chose as his servant for the task. (John 13:18) | |
| Mar 7, 2022 at 7:19 | comment | added | Cork88 | There are multiple events recorded with respect to “being delivered” or “led”. Jesus was originally delivered into the hands of the Roman cohort with Judas present: (John 18:1-12), then Jesus was led to Annas first: (John 18:13). So John 19:11 was probably a reference to Judas primarily since he is the primary betrayer of Christ. Then, Jesus was sent to Caiaphas (John 18:24), then Jesus was led to the Praetorium (John 18:28), then Jesus was delivered to Pilate (John 18:30). So they all certainly were participating in sin if they intended to crucify Him, which they obviously did. | |
| Mar 7, 2022 at 4:35 | comment | added | Gary Hughes | John 19:11 says Jesus’ deliverer to Pilate has the greater sin. Luke 23:1 says the council which judged Jesus delivered him to Pilate. Was the council’s greater sin a sin of delivering him, or a sin of judging him? (Luke 22:71) If we accept Judas’ judgment that he sinned in delivering Jesus as true, was his sin the making of the covenant to deliver him, which the devil put in his heart to do (John 13:2), or a sin of delivering him, which both God and Jesus did, and Jesus put in his heart to do. (John 13:18) | |
| Mar 7, 2022 at 3:36 | comment | added | Cork88 | Good question, I would contend Judas’s sin was in fact sin due to his delivering up Jesus to be condemned. I also read Luke 22:66-71 & Luke 23:1, I’m not sure what your point is there with John 19:11. I would also contend that Judas’s betrayal was indeed sin based on Matthew 27:3-5, especially 27:3. | |
| Mar 7, 2022 at 2:03 | comment | added | Gary Hughes | But was the sin of which Jesus spoke even a sin of delivering him? Could the greater sin of his deliverer of which he spoke not have been the sin of judging him, as did the council which had no further need of proof, and so sent him to Pilate? (Luke 22:66-71; Luke 23:1) | |
| Mar 6, 2022 at 21:29 | comment | added | Cork88 | you said: “The act of delivering Jesus was neither a trespass against Jesus, nor a sin.” What about?: Jesus answered, “You could have no power at all against Me unless it had been given you from above. Therefore the one who delivered Me to you has the greater sin.” John 19:11 | |
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| S Mar 6, 2022 at 20:01 | history | answered | Gary Hughes | CC BY-SA 4.0 |