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“But to what shall I compare this generation? It is like children sitting in the marketplaces who call out to one another, saying, ‘We played the flute for you and you did not dance; we sang a lament and you did not mourn.’ [Matt 11.16-17 LEB]

“But to what shall I compare this generation? It is like children sitting in the marketplaces who call out to one another, saying, ‘We played the flute for you and you did not dance; we sang a lament and you did not mourn.’ [Matt 11.16-17 LEB]

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The idea of needing to physically remove someone in order to keep them from temptation, while certainly possible in theory, is not what we see elsewhere in scripture.

E.g. in revelation, there are many condemnations of those who "dwell on earth" versus those who dwell in heaven:

e.g. Rev 11.10:

And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth. [KJV]

And in Rev 13.13-14:

And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. [KJV]

But we are told elsewhere that the beast decievesdeceives all but the elect, who then presumably do not dwell on earth but in the heavenlies.

Finally we are told in Rev 12:12

Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time. [KJV]

But scripturally, the idea of dwelling on earth and dwelling in heaven refers to those who do not believe versus those who do:

If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God. Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth. For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God. When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.

So if we are dead, then the various plagues and trials do not torment us, because our lives are hid with God in Heaven. Then we do not dwell on earth, are not deceived by the beast, and do not partake of the earth's plagues.

This has nothing to do with physically being removed from the earth, or at least it need not have anything to do with it.

Eph 2.4-7

But God, being rich in mercy, because of his great love with which he loved us, and we being dead in trespasses, he made us alive together with Christ (by grace you are saved), and raised us together and seated us together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, in order that he might show in the coming ages the surpassing riches of his grace in kindness upon us in Christ Jesus. [LEB]

This passage is not referring to being levitated out of the planet, but referring to us "dwelling" in the heavenly places in Christ, as believers, right now, and to the degree that we are dwelling in him, the plagues sent to the earth cannot touch us because we are dead to the things of this world, both its blessings and its curses.

The earthly parable for this is the Exodus, in which plagues were sent on the Egyptians but did not touch the Israelites as they were the type for the bride. They were physically in Egypt but represented the bride whose true identity was with God, and thus they could not be harmed by the plagues sent to Egypt.

The idea of needing to physically remove someone in order to keep them from temptation, while certainly possible in theory, is not what we see elsewhere in scripture.

E.g. in revelation, there are many condemnations of those who "dwell on earth" versus those who dwell in heaven:

e.g. Rev 11.10:

And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth. [KJV]

And in Rev 13.13-14:

And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. [KJV]

But we are told elsewhere that the beast decieves all but the elect, who then presumably do not dwell on earth but in the heavenlies.

Finally we are told in Rev 12:12

Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time. [KJV]

But scripturally, the idea of dwelling on earth and dwelling in heaven refers to those who do not believe versus those who do:

If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God. Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth. For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God. When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.

So if we are dead, then the various plagues and trials do not torment us, because our lives are hid with God in Heaven. Then we do not dwell on earth, are not deceived by the beast, and do not partake of the earth's plagues.

This has nothing to do with physically being removed from the earth, or at least it need not have anything to do with it.

Eph 2.4-7

But God, being rich in mercy, because of his great love with which he loved us, and we being dead in trespasses, he made us alive together with Christ (by grace you are saved), and raised us together and seated us together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, in order that he might show in the coming ages the surpassing riches of his grace in kindness upon us in Christ Jesus. [LEB]

This passage is not referring to being levitated out of the planet, but referring to us "dwelling" in the heavenly places in Christ, as believers, right now, and to the degree that we are dwelling in him, the plagues sent to the earth cannot touch us.

The idea of needing to physically remove someone in order to keep them from temptation, while certainly possible in theory, is not what we see elsewhere in scripture.

E.g. in revelation, there are many condemnations of those who "dwell on earth" versus those who dwell in heaven:

e.g. Rev 11.10:

And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth. [KJV]

And in Rev 13.13-14:

And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. [KJV]

But we are told elsewhere that the beast deceives all but the elect, who then presumably do not dwell on earth but in the heavenlies.

Finally we are told in Rev 12:12

Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time. [KJV]

But scripturally, the idea of dwelling on earth and dwelling in heaven refers to those who do not believe versus those who do:

If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God. Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth. For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God. When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.

So if we are dead, then the various plagues and trials do not torment us, because our lives are hid with God in Heaven. Then we do not dwell on earth, are not deceived by the beast, and do not partake of the earth's plagues.

This has nothing to do with physically being removed from the earth, or at least it need not have anything to do with it.

Eph 2.4-7

But God, being rich in mercy, because of his great love with which he loved us, and we being dead in trespasses, he made us alive together with Christ (by grace you are saved), and raised us together and seated us together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, in order that he might show in the coming ages the surpassing riches of his grace in kindness upon us in Christ Jesus. [LEB]

This passage is not referring to being levitated out of the planet, but referring to us "dwelling" in the heavenly places in Christ, as believers, right now, and to the degree that we are dwelling in him, the plagues sent to the earth cannot touch us because we are dead to the things of this world, both its blessings and its curses.

The earthly parable for this is the Exodus, in which plagues were sent on the Egyptians but did not touch the Israelites as they were the type for the bride. They were physically in Egypt but represented the bride whose true identity was with God, and thus they could not be harmed by the plagues sent to Egypt.

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The idea of needing to physically remove someone in order to keep them from temptation, while certainly possible in theory, is not what we see elsewhere in scripture.

E.g. in revelation, there are many condemnations of those who "dwell on earth" versus those who dwell in heaven:

e.g. Rev 11.10:

And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth. [KJV]

And in Rev 13.13-14:

And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. [KJV]

But we are told elsewhere that the beast decieves all but the elect, who then presumably do not dwell on earth but in the heavenlies.

Finally we are told in Rev 12:12

Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time. [KJV]

But scripturally, the idea of dwelling on earth and dwelling in heaven refers to those who do not believe versus those who do:

If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God. Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth. For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God. When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.

So if we are dead, then the various plagues and trials do not torment us, because our lives are hid with God in Heaven. Then we do not dwell on earth, are not deceived by the beast, and do not partake of the earth's plagues.

This has nothing to do with physically being removed from the earth, or at least it need not have anything to do with it.

Eph 2.4-7

But God, being rich in mercy, because of his great love with which he loved us, and we being dead in trespasses, he made us alive together with Christ (by grace you are saved), and raised us together and seated us together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, in order that he might show in the coming ages the surpassing riches of his grace in kindness upon us in Christ Jesus. [LEB]

This passage is not referring to being levitated out of the planet, but referring to us "dwelling" in the heavenly places in Christ, as believers, right now, and to the degree that we are dwelling in him, the plagues sent to the earth cannot touch us.