Timeline for Revelation 11:2 literal or figurative?
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| Jul 31, 2021 at 11:31 | comment | added | Daniel Dahlberg | @Gina I mena just as Robert explained in his answer it's the first one under my question | |
| Jul 31, 2021 at 11:16 | comment | added | Gina | @DanielDahlberg - a double fulfillment of what ? You expect a 3rd destruction of Jerusalem & of a temple that does not exist? | |
| Jul 31, 2021 at 11:15 | comment | added | Gina | @OldeEnglish - TY for the blessing. Perspective, point of view is critical to see it. For those who believe that Christ did not finish His work, then they must also believe that we are still living under the old Mosaic laws (Matt. 24:34). I would ask that you at least consider my post "Perspective" at the top menu of my blog - ShreddingTheVeil.org. | |
| Jul 31, 2021 at 10:55 | comment | added | Olde English | We will obviously never agree on this. I have exposed the 'fantasies' that you espouse and you still talk as if you have never been found out. Sigh !! I have nothing further to say to you, except maybe that I hope God still blesses you, for you still have a fair amount of relevance. | |
| Jul 31, 2021 at 10:36 | comment | added | Gina | @OldeEnglish - the future tense verbs and words were yet future to those of that generation. They were still waiting for that temple to be torn down. Their future in their lifetime is not our future. Their future is our past. Christ did everything He said He was going to do, fulfilled all of the prophesies of the OT just as He promised. The temple was still standing when the book was written. The climax was the fully established kingdom, the fullness of the gospel of Christ under the new covenant which has been in operation ever since. | |
| Jul 31, 2021 at 9:51 | comment | added | Olde English | The book of Revelation was not a revealing of John's, it was a revealing of Jesus Christ's and therefore more of a dictation. John may well have had first audience perspective but he was to write about more of a future perspective, not the past. The temple was at that time of writing already history, gone, no more. The revealing provides an all-embracing vision of what God purposes for mankind, and that brings the grand theme of the Bible, the sanctification of Jehovah's name and the vindication of his sovereignty by means of the kingdom under Christ, the promised seed, to a glorious climax. | |
| Jul 31, 2021 at 8:38 | comment | added | Daniel Dahlberg | @Gina The prophecy they heard and knew that Messiah was coming was that by prophet Daniel gave of weeks! I believe that the 1260 had a literal 70 A.D and will have a symbolic/spiritual fulfillment in the tribulation. | |
| Jul 31, 2021 at 7:29 | comment | added | Gina | @OldeEnglish - Your research is incomplete. First audience perspective is required for proper hermeneutics. If Rev had been written after the destruction of the temple it would have had to have been mentioned in the prophesy. The temple was the center of the Jewish world. That the temple is no where represented in the book has having already been destroyed is clear evidence that it was still in operation when the book was written. | |
| Jul 31, 2021 at 7:24 | comment | added | Gina | @DanielDahlberg - Revelation was the "double fulfillment of the 1st destruction of Jerusalem and the temple about 586 BC by Nebuchadnezzar. The 2nd by Vespasian and his son Titus under the Roman army. Those who heard this prophesy in the 1st century AD knew Christ's return was coming to them "soon" in their lifetime, their generation.. There is no end to an everlasting kingdom. Revelation was the end of the old covenant, but the beginning of the new covenant under the gospel of Christ for all generations to the ages of the ages (Eph. 3:21). | |
| Jul 30, 2021 at 22:39 | comment | added | Olde English | ...by one Robert L Thomas, Professor of New Testament, in 1994. See following link:tms.edu/m/tmsj5i.pdf - Irenaeus, would appear therefore to have not been in error, when attributing the reign of Domitian to the time of writing, rather than 'Domitius', as it were. In light of this further, to all intents and purposes, 'incorrect' exegesis, it is therefore a downvote from me. | |
| Jul 30, 2021 at 22:26 | comment | added | Olde English | After spending the last several hours looking into the possibility of an earlier date to the writing of the book of Revelation, I can now cite the following: As to the theory that Revelation was written by John in the late 60's (as opposed to 90's), under the emperor Lucius Domitius Ahenobarbus, who took the name "Nero", this Idea would seem to have been promulgated by one well-known spokesman, for the 'theonomist' (pre 70 AD) camp, namely one Kenneth L Gentry, in 1989. Inconsistency, however, marks Gentry's hermeneutical pattern, which was well and truly dismissed...tbc... | |
| Jul 30, 2021 at 11:24 | comment | added | Olde English | I'm sorry, but the Preterist view IMO is a 'Pretentious' view. I agree that the 42 months, itself, as pertaining to the verse in question at least, is of a literal nature but I can't agree with your timing. There were, however, two, not one, 'other' 3.5 year periods surrounding the 2nd temple destruction!! We both, however, also agree that there will be no 3rd temple, of a literal nature, in Jerusalem. From what I remember of my own investigation of the timing of John's revelation, I did not come to your conclusion but it has been awhile and I may just have to look into it again. | |
| Jul 30, 2021 at 10:15 | comment | added | Daniel Dahlberg | Thank you Gina for your contribution +1! Do you mean 260 days (42 mos. x 30 days) or Rev. 11:3 was fulfilled 67-70 A.D. if I understood it right do you think then it has a dubble fulfillment? | |
| Jul 30, 2021 at 8:32 | history | answered | Gina | CC BY-SA 4.0 |