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Jun 25, 2021 at 14:13 comment added Polyhat In light of Jesus' own words regarding lack of marriage among angels (Matthew 22:30; Mark 12:25), this matter is too clear to be open to speculation. If angels do not even marry among themselves, how would they possibly have copulated with humans? There is no mention in all of the Bible of such things as baby angels, angel fathers or mothers, or angel families--because they do not marry and these things do not exist. Humans and angels are not made alike. @curiousdannii
Jun 22, 2021 at 18:17 comment added Dave @curiousdannii (thanks) Yes... exactly. Everyone will ‘see’ whatever their reasoning reasons out. On this particular subject, it is only really due to the internet (including forums such as this) that these views are being generally presented..... then to sift through the ‘wheat and the chaff’.
Jun 22, 2021 at 6:57 comment added curiousdannii You might be interested in this question. I've always thought that it was pretty clear that only the unreliable spies claim that the Nephilim were there, not the inspired author of Numbers, but there is some debate over the question.
Jun 22, 2021 at 4:06 comment added Dave @Robert Thanks - Took me a while to accept the whole ‘Nephilim’ viewpoint, and accept it proves difficult for some (many?). These days, with some recent (last ~50yrs) discoveries, including but not limited to the DSS, the support for this view is strengthening. Nevertheless, that traditional view/foundation is firm - and will take a lot to shift it - and, for many/most, it won’t.
Jun 22, 2021 at 0:02 comment added Robert The idea that these tribes needed to be killed b/c of Nephilim is a bit fringe: lots of debate about Nephilim, and the tribes weren't all killed off. That was the big problem -- failing to take all the land, making peace, intermarrying, stopping short, etc. But it's a view that is interesting and doesn't deserve a downvote at all. You made a case with evidence. +1
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Jun 21, 2021 at 2:47 comment added Dave @Ray Butterworth I’m (personally) very wary of Mishnah. The oral traditions often lacked accuracy when ‘it suited’. Example, the way they distorted the calendar to ‘avoid it’ pointing to a Messiah coming at the time Jesus came. You might be interested in researching the [very recent] Essenes ‘view’ of the writings that came via the Pharisees.
Jun 21, 2021 at 2:35 comment added Ray Butterworth Isn't the report in Numbers 13 considered to be a false report? E.g. "According to Rabbinic tradition (as seen in the Mishnah Taanit 4:6), the sin of the spies produced the annual fast day of Tisha B'Av. When the Israelites accepted the false report, they wept over the false belief that God was setting them up for defeat." — The Twelve Spies - Wikipedia.
Jun 21, 2021 at 0:15 comment added Dave @Polyhat ??? What about GEN 6:4! - Although no doubt you will have an ‘alternative’ explanation(s) for that verse. I don’t mind those who want to ‘hang on’ to their traditional humanistic doctrinal explanations, and also ignore the recent DSS findings, but readers both deserve, and should ‘see/consider’ all ‘views’. I look forward to reading your, or your ‘accepted’ explanation!
Jun 20, 2021 at 23:45 comment added Polyhat There is no indication in all of the Bible that "Nephilim" were non-human, or that spirits of humans are separate beings that continue to exist when one has died. Both of these fallacies are, in essence, spiritualism. -1
Jun 20, 2021 at 22:42 history answered Dave CC BY-SA 4.0