Timeline for Romans 4:5 What does justification of the ungodly means? "one who doesn’t work, but believes in him who justifies the ungodly"
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| Jun 15, 2021 at 14:43 | comment | added | Nhi | @Michael16 Although we all have our theological biases and disagreements are to be expected, what I like about this site is how it brings people together around a shared love of Scripture. Here, this saying seems especially true - that which unites us is far greater than that which divides us. | |
| Jun 15, 2021 at 10:11 | comment | added | Michael16 | I think I should make a new topic asking how some people (Baptists and Calvins) see mercy and justice as mutually exclusive. They say mercy is injustice. | |
| Jun 14, 2021 at 21:40 | comment | added | Dottard | I fully agree with your idea of "injustice". @Michael16 appears to be missing his own point. | |
| Jun 14, 2021 at 17:43 | comment | added | Michael16 | You also presume & reiterate that grace, mercy means God changing his nature and abandoning justice; and that mercy justice contradict each other. You should focus on proving these things in the answer. The implications of such a radical view that destroys God's immutability and righteousness, making him an abomination by his own standards. Justification means reckoning righteous, not falsely justifying one as righteous. | |
| Jun 14, 2021 at 14:39 | comment | added | Michael16 | Nhi, your answer is good but missing the point. Q is asking about the nature of justification or forgiveness, as you say. God doesn't or can never forgive unrepentant sinners. The same way, his forgiveness does not contradict with justice bec the person repents and follows God, in turn receive mercy. If God justifies falsely justify sinners, he violates justice with mercy, with a forged false justice, and such a thing is an abomination to God. Paul never said such an abominable thing. Sinners r justified ie. counted righteous. It doesn't mean a false justification as reformers believe. | |
| Jun 14, 2021 at 13:52 | history | answered | Nhi | CC BY-SA 4.0 |