Timeline for Who is Jacob asking to bless Joseph?
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| Mar 6, 2021 at 17:50 | vote | accept | Dave | ||
| Mar 6, 2021 at 17:50 | comment | added | Dave | Thanks. The Hebrew construct of this verse clearly shows that both the angel and God, despite unique, nevertheless are clearly to be ‘seen’ as one. This is explicit .... and clearly intentional. My personal interpretation is that the angel [fully] represents God, but isn’t God - yes, at times a christophony, but every appearance? Nevertheless I’ll finish with this Q, but may visit this ‘issue’ again via one of those other passages. Couple of passages in Judges, including the one you added, are intriguing! | |
| Mar 6, 2021 at 6:49 | comment | added | Dottard | @Dave - I have updated the answer to include some examples in the OT of the LORD sending the LORD, etc, to show that the OT God while ONE is more than one person. | |
| Mar 6, 2021 at 4:35 | comment | added | Dave | Your intro starts of with... “This question is based on the assumption that the "Angel" in Gen 48:16 is distinct from God.” .... This is not quite right. - I actually accept that they are, in fact, meant to be ‘seen’ as one ... [but] ... nevertheless that they are two separate, distinct entities. This is the view that I am ‘testing’ with this Q. | |
| Mar 5, 2021 at 19:40 | history | edited | Dottard | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Mar 5, 2021 at 18:58 | comment | added | Dottard | @Dave - great point - but look closely. Ex 23:20 is similar to both Zech 2:6-12 and Isa 48:11-16 where the LORD is sent by the LORD. See also Isa 63:9 where the Angel of the LORD';s presence saved them. | |
| Mar 5, 2021 at 18:41 | comment | added | Dave | As usual, a very detailed and excellent answer - but - let’s examine it. You say ‘Sometimes, YHWH calls Himself "The Angel of God"’. And list Exodus 23:20 as one of your support scriptures. Exodus 23 does allude to 2 entities, YHWH, and the angel. But it clearly differentiates between them. And, both Benson and Gill ‘speculate’ that ‘surely’ it [this particular angel] isn’t a created angel. Now, I’m not necessarily arguing against a possible ‘Christophony’, but are asking whether it could/might be that the angel and God are two separate entities? | |
| Mar 5, 2021 at 6:02 | history | answered | Dottard | CC BY-SA 4.0 |