Timeline for Was the commandment to keep the Sabbath holy created at Mount Sinai and given to the Israelites only?
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| Aug 12, 2021 at 17:53 | comment | added | Bob Jones | @Robert Yeah, much of it is part of the 'mystery hidden from the beginning' the stuff of sensus plenior | |
| Aug 12, 2021 at 5:10 | comment | added | Robert | @BobJones This is similar to Abel's offering, or Jacob's drink offering or Job's or Noah's sacrifices. Clearly there was some revelation not recorded in Genesis about how to give burnt offerings, drink offerings, circumcise, observe weeks, as all of this was being done long before the law was given to Moses, just as people were circumcising long before Abraham. But who first received these revelations is a mystery to me. | |
| Aug 12, 2021 at 5:01 | comment | added | Robert | @BobJones Thanks for the reference, I'm reading it now! But I don't see the bearing it has on the issue of weeks. 1. why would the manner of Genesis' transmission (tablet or oral tradition) make a difference to this discussion? 2. Shavua is mentioned first in Gen 29 (Jacob), yet we know from extra-biblical sources that Babylonians observed the week before Abraham was born, so we still have this gap to explain - similar to the gap for circumcision (also known well before Abraham's time). | |
| Aug 12, 2021 at 3:30 | comment | added | Bob Jones | @Robert check Wiseman. If Gen 1 was written by God and then the rest by Adam, Noah, his sons, etc. It changes our perception of everything. | |
| Aug 11, 2021 at 17:09 | comment | added | Robert | @BobJones God created the universe long before Moses, so was there an awareness of a seven day week before Moses, or even Abraham? I say that yes, there was. Unfortunately everything else is speculation. Nothing is recorded in the Bible about this, so as I peer back in time, I see small echoes of historical observances scattered around, before a clear revelation to Moses, but that is all I see. I am certain, however, that other revelations were given in various times and I do think the phases of the Moon is an important part of these early revelations, but this is speculation. | |
| Aug 11, 2021 at 4:26 | comment | added | Bob Jones | See P.J.Wiseman on reasons to believe Genesis was written by eye-witnesses. If so, then a seven day week was from the beginning. Given to Israel specifically because God was using the literal history as a parable to teach the nations. De 28:37 And thou shalt become an astonishment, a proverb, and a byword, among all nations whither the LORD shall lead thee. Their history is like a dinner theater for the rest of us. | |
| Feb 14, 2021 at 21:14 | comment | added | Robert | Ancient Israel celebrated the lunar month and that was a more important holy day than the end of the week. Modern judaism, not so much. Many differences in holy days celebration between post-exilic judaism and the biblical era, and some of the celebrations were entirely forgotten (e.g. Judges 21.19). 'Sabbath' can refer to a holy day other than the end of the week. | |
| Feb 14, 2021 at 20:06 | comment | added | bach | "So the holy days would be: 7, 14, 21, 28 and they would have separate lunar sabbaths that would be inserted (say on the 29th or 30th day) that didn't fall on the seventh day." Are you referring to the New month festival mentioned in Numbers 28:11? Why are you calling them sabbath? This is quite confusing. Can you elaborate more on this? | |
| Feb 14, 2021 at 3:34 | history | answered | Robert | CC BY-SA 4.0 |