Timeline for Who are the prophets that hold to the "Testimony of Jesus"?
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| Feb 10, 2021 at 11:29 | comment | added | Ruminator | They were living in the time of the end, not us. | |
| Feb 10, 2021 at 8:38 | comment | added | Adam | @Ruminator...so you are saying Paul is lying in Romans? I hardly think so, because John wrote in Revelation (as i also quoted) "the patience of the saints are those who keep the commandments of God and the Testimony of Jesus"! Revelation was not written specifically for the Jews, it was written for all Chistians and is future orientated...ie for the time of the end (thousands of years after Johns time). Clearly the expectation in the book of Revelation is that we must still uphold the commandments (plural) of God! It is very obvious that both were talking of the moral law...10 commandments! | |
| Feb 9, 2021 at 21:02 | comment | added | Ruminator | For Jews, the Sinai covenant did not completely disappear until c. 70 AD/CE when the temple was dismantled so no stone remained one upon the other and they were evicted from their land, to which the Torah applied. Now, not even the Jews keep Torah because it is impossible. But the gentiles are not and never were beholden to Torah: [Heb 8:13 NET] (13) When he speaks of a new covenant, he makes the first obsolete. Now what is growing obsolete and aging is about to disappear. | |
| Feb 9, 2021 at 19:57 | comment | added | Adam | @Ruminator...it sounds like you are saying we are no longer required to keep the law. Might I remind you of what Paul said about this in Romans 6..."15What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law, but under grace? Certainly not!" - What this means is the law doesn't save us, by faith in the grace received from Jesus are we saved BUT, we are still required to "attempt to live" lawfully (ie keep the law). This is very clear in Romans 6 and in Revelation 14:12 the patience of the saints are those who 1. KEEP the commandments of God (10 commandments) AND, 2. Have the Testimony of Jesus. | |
| Feb 8, 2021 at 19:10 | history | answered | Ruminator | CC BY-SA 4.0 |