Timeline for Is the landowner being fair to all the workers in the Parable of the Workers of the Vineyard in Matthew 20?
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| Jul 6, 2020 at 21:38 | answer | added | moron | timeline score: 0 | |
| Jul 4, 2020 at 5:22 | answer | added | Dave | timeline score: 2 | |
| Jul 2, 2020 at 19:40 | comment | added | Only True God | @NigelJ No disagreement here - no one is forced. The issue I am raising is disclosure of relevant info to the parties. It is relevant to the early workers to know they could work just 1 hour and still get $1. This isn't disclosed by the landowner. In some sense, this isn't fair. Indeed, I think one of the points of the parable is that God isn't 'fair' by typical human metrics, just as loving one's enemies isn't 'fair', giving one's cloak to one who demands one's coat isn't 'fair', and so on. When the landowner says it's 'fair', there is a slightly different meaning intended here, IMHO. | |
| Jul 2, 2020 at 19:28 | comment | added | Nigel J | @AnthonyBurg I repeat, nobody is forced into such contracts. If food prices go up, I either starve or pay the price. | |
| Jul 2, 2020 at 18:26 | comment | added | Only True God | @NigelJ All you say is true. Let's say you are in front of the line to purchase a mobile phone. You ask how much it is. The salesperson says "$100". You agree to pay this. You then step to the side. The next person asks how much it is for the same phone. The salesperson says "$50". Would you feel a bit miffed? "Excuse me, you just told me it's $100." "Oh, well, it's later in the day. You agreed to the price, what's the problem?" | |
| Jul 2, 2020 at 18:10 | comment | added | Nigel J | @AnthonyBurg The situation changed during the course of the day. Workers were hired but there were still outstanding tasks as the day progressed. Each worker got exactly what had been negotiated as a contract. Nobody forced them into the contract. | |
| Jul 2, 2020 at 18:07 | comment | added | Only True God | @NigelJ The early employees presumably would have rathered lounge about in the shade and be paid $1. So for them its not about being productive or not, but being paid. If the landowner had come up to them and said "I will pay you $1 for any amount of the day you work" and they still worked the full day, then the landowner would have been completely upfront about the situation. | |
| Jul 2, 2020 at 14:40 | comment | added | Ruminator | Well, he couldn't really ask for change for a penny! | |
| Jul 2, 2020 at 12:00 | history | tweeted | twitter.com/StackBibleHerm/status/1278659722351194113 | ||
| Jul 2, 2020 at 5:59 | comment | added | Lucian | @NigelJ: No man has ever accused his own client or employer of unfairness when being tipped by him. Oddly enough, that selfsame courtesy does not seem to apply or extend when someone else is receiving the tip. I mean, it's not as if the workers from the parable were reasonably expecting the master to redistribute the extra payment among them after denying it to the latecomers. The only logical or plausible outcome would have been their fellow workers receiving less payment, while theirs would have remained the same. A pointless and disgusting exercise in envy, jealousy, and resentment. | |
| Jul 2, 2020 at 5:57 | answer | added | Nigel J | timeline score: 3 | |
| Jul 2, 2020 at 5:29 | comment | added | Nigel J | @Lucian That doesn't make sense to me. Perhaps you could actually answer the question in full and I can consider your argument in full. Thank you. | |
| Jul 2, 2020 at 5:28 | comment | added | Lucian | The meaning of the text is that the workers are not payed less than they would have otherwise earned. | |
| Jul 2, 2020 at 5:27 | comment | added | Nigel J | @AnthonyBurg Wouldn't a grateful employee be happy to work the whole day rather than 'stand idle' ? To be productive, rather than unfruitful ? Does such an employee show charity towards the employer offering work and hire ? | |
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| Jul 1, 2020 at 22:08 | answer | added | Dottard | timeline score: 5 | |
| Jul 1, 2020 at 18:30 | comment | added | Only True God | No, it doesn't seem completely fair, as the workers seem unaware they could have worked just the last bit of the day and been paid the same. In this sense, they were misled by the landowner. If they had been aware of this, they probably wouldn't have worked the entire day, but just the last bit. | |
| Jul 1, 2020 at 17:29 | comment | added | Nigel J | If a man accepts a job of work for an agreed rate of pay : what's unfair about that ? | |
| Jul 1, 2020 at 17:21 | comment | added | Nigel J | The Greek is αδικω σε ουχι I do wrong you not. Or I do no unrighteousness to you. Biblehub. Strong 91 | |
| Jul 1, 2020 at 16:32 | history | asked | user35953 | CC BY-SA 4.0 |