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I believe Daniel 11:17's "daughter of women" (literal) is Cleopatra I (she's not the famous Cleopatra, VII). Another translation is "youthful daughter." I'm trying to understand the idea behind the Hebrew phrase. She appears to have lived only 28 years, 204 Before-Christ to 176. And having been given by her father Antiochus III, at age 11, to marry Ptolemy V, as part of Antiochus' plot to ruin (i.e. take over) Ptolemy's Egyptian kingdom---she's maybe the finishing touch, of Antiochus' "peace proposal" (literally: "upright ones or things") between Antiochus of Syria and Ptolemy. But she turned out to be loyal to her husband and "not able to stand for [her dad], was of no use to him." She was the sister of Antiochus IV who is a big type of the final Antichrist, for his war on the Jews and desecration of their temple during the time of the Maccabees (cf 11:21-35; 8:8-14, 21-26; 9:24-27; Mt 24:15; 2 Thes 2:3-12; Rv 9:11; 13:1-8; 19:19-20). To follow Daniel 11, one can read the history of the 'Greek Empire' (Javan) that came to be after Alexander the Great died, divided among four of his generals, with all the infighting and fighting up until Rome, the fourth empire spoken of in Daniel, takes over in the Mediterranean. It looks like Daniel deals with the four successive empires of Babylon, Persia, Greece, then Rome in regard to Israel's and Jewish (God-Incarnate's fleshly tribe and family) destiny. (And probably because of Daniel 11's level of detail, many unbeliever, even Hebrew, scholars claim laughably that Daniel wasn't written by Daniel nor in Daniel's time of around 500 Before-Christ)

I believe Daniel 11:17's "daughter of women" (literal) is Cleopatra I (she's not the famous Cleopatra, VII). Another translation is "youthful daughter." I'm trying to understand the idea behind the Hebrew phrase. She appears to have lived only 28 years, 204 Before-Christ to 176. And having been given by her father Antiochus III, at age 11, to marry Ptolemy V, as part of Antiochus' plot to ruin (i.e. take over) Ptolemy's Egyptian kingdom---she's maybe the finishing touch, of Antiochus' "peace proposal" (literally: "upright ones or things") between Antiochus of Syria and Ptolemy. But she turned out to be loyal to her husband and "not able to stand for [her dad], was of no use to him." She was the sister of Antiochus IV who is a big type of the final Antichrist, for his war on the Jews and desecration of their temple during the time of the Maccabees (cf 11:21-35; 8:8-14, 21-26; 9:24-27; Mt 24:15; 2 Thes 2:3-12; Rv 9:11; 13:1-8; 19:19-20). To follow Daniel 11, one can read the history of the 'Greek Empire' (Javan) that came to be after Alexander the Great died, divided among four of his generals, with all the infighting and fighting up until Rome, the fourth empire spoken of in Daniel, takes over in the Mediterranean. It looks like Daniel deals with the four successive empires of Babylon, Persia, Greece, then Rome in regard to Israel's and Jewish (God-Incarnate's fleshly tribe and family) destiny.

I believe Daniel 11:17's "daughter of women" (literal) is Cleopatra I (she's not the famous Cleopatra, VII). Another translation is "youthful daughter." I'm trying to understand the idea behind the Hebrew phrase. She appears to have lived only 28 years, 204 Before-Christ to 176. And having been given by her father Antiochus III, at age 11, to marry Ptolemy V, as part of Antiochus' plot to ruin (i.e. take over) Ptolemy's Egyptian kingdom---she's maybe the finishing touch, of Antiochus' "peace proposal" (literally: "upright ones or things") between Antiochus of Syria and Ptolemy. But she turned out to be loyal to her husband and "not able to stand for [her dad], was of no use to him." She was the sister of Antiochus IV who is a big type of the final Antichrist, for his war on the Jews and desecration of their temple during the time of the Maccabees (cf 11:21-35; 8:8-14, 21-26; 9:24-27; Mt 24:15; 2 Thes 2:3-12; Rv 9:11; 13:1-8; 19:19-20). To follow Daniel 11, one can read the history of the 'Greek Empire' (Javan) that came to be after Alexander the Great died, divided among four of his generals, with all the infighting and fighting up until Rome, the fourth empire spoken of in Daniel, takes over in the Mediterranean. It looks like Daniel deals with the four successive empires of Babylon, Persia, Greece, then Rome in regard to Israel's and Jewish (God-Incarnate's fleshly tribe and family) destiny. (And probably because of Daniel 11's level of detail, many unbeliever, even Hebrew, scholars claim laughably that Daniel wasn't written by Daniel nor in Daniel's time of around 500 Before-Christ)

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Walter S
Walter S
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I believe Daniel 11:17's "daughter of women" (literal) is Cleopatra I (she's not the famous Cleopatra, VII). Another translation is "youthful daughter." I'm trying to understand the idea behind the Hebrew phrase. She appears to have lived only 28 years, 204 Before-Christ to 176. And having been given by her father Antiochus III, at age 11, to marry Ptolemy V, as part of Antiochus' plot to ruin (i.e. take over) Ptolemy's Egyptian kingdom---she's maybe the finishing touch, of Antiochus' "peace proposal" (literally: "upright ones or things") between Antiochus of Syria and Ptolemy. But she turned out to be loyal to her husband and "not able to stand for [her dad], was of no use to him." She was the sister of Antiochus IV who is a big type of the final Antichrist, for his war on the Jews and desecration of their temple during the time of the Maccabees (cf 11:21-35; 8:8-14, 21-26; 9:24-27; Mt 24:15; 2 Thes 2:3-12; Rv 9:11; 13:1-8; 19:19-20). To follow Daniel 11, one can read the history of the 'Greek Empire' (Javan) that came to be after Alexander the Great died, divided among four of his generals, with all the infighting and fighting up until Rome, the fourth empire spoken of in Daniel, takes over in the Mediterranean. It looks like Daniel deals with the four successive empires of Babylon, Persia, Greece, then Rome in regard to Israel's and Jewish (God-Incarnate's fleshly tribe and family) destiny.