Timeline for In Philippians 2:11 are "God" and "the Father" used in apposition?
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| Nov 28, 2018 at 12:29 | comment | added | Ruminator | I meant Eph 1:20 and no, I did not say that you cited it "as an example of apposition", I just said you cited it (in the comments above). Please don't put words in my mouth. Thanks. I just found the apposition in the verse interesting. It shows how earnestly Paul is declaring that he (the glorious Father) is "the only true God". Jesus does the same: [Jhn 17:3 KJV] 3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. | |
| Nov 28, 2018 at 11:53 | comment | added | user25930 | I did not quote Eph 1:17 as an example of apposition. Please do not place words in my mouth. I agree that God the father is often stated to be Jesus' God - no contest here. But, that does not lead to your conclusion. | |
| Nov 28, 2018 at 9:30 | comment | added | Ruminator | One of the verses you cite have a different apposition: KJV Eph 1:17 "That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him". In that verse, interestingly, "the Father of glory" is used in apposition (of a sort) to "the God of our Lord Jesus Christ". Christendom's deity "Trinity" is the unscriptural god of religion but "the Father of glory" is Jesus' God. I'm sticking with Jesus' God. | |
| Nov 28, 2018 at 0:50 | comment | added | Ruminator | So is the identity of "God" in any of your examples at all ambiguous as to the referent? | |
| Oct 28, 2018 at 23:05 | comment | added | user25930 | Not quite - "God" is often used alone and presumably (most often) refers to the Godhead generally; but "θεοῦ πατρός" refers to a specific person. Here is an example from Jesus' resurrection: • Acts 2:24, 3:15, 4:10, 5:30, 10:40, 13:30, 17:31, Rom 4:24, 1 Cor 15:15, Col 2:20, Heb 13:20, 1 Peter 21, 1 Thess 1:10 simply say that “God” raised Jesus without specifying any specific person of the Godhead • Rom 6:4, Eph 1:17-20 say that the Father raised Jesus from the dead. • John 2:19-21 and 10:17, 18 both say that Jesus resurrected Himself • Rom 8:11 says that the Holy Spirit raised Jesus | |
| Oct 28, 2018 at 22:42 | comment | added | Ruminator | Also, this is not the statement I would expect from someone "fiercely monotheistic": "I presume that if "God" alone were used it would be ambiguous." But in fact God's name often appears alone or with an identification as "The God and father of our lord Jesus Christ". | |
| Oct 28, 2018 at 22:30 | comment | added | Ruminator | Interesting stuff, thanks. Also "my car, the red one" is different from "my car, the gas guzzler" in that "the red one" is not in apposition, instead it is some kind of predicate (I believe). | |
| Oct 28, 2018 at 22:22 | history | answered | user25930 | CC BY-SA 4.0 |