Timeline for In James 1:17, what does "father of lights" mean?
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| Feb 3, 2018 at 21:59 | comment | added | Ruminator | It appears to me that rather than showing the father as the source of variation and shadows he is saying the every good and perfect gift is in the believer from the father. Of his own will he "begat us through the word of truth" so that we "should be a first fruits of his creatures". That is that we should be unlike the world. We shine as lights in the world bearing the shadowless light that comes only from God. Light is attributed to the scriptures: "Thy word is a lamp unto my feet and a light to my path". The LOGOS is "the true light". Hence "every good and perfect gift". | |
| Feb 3, 2018 at 21:46 | comment | added | Ruminator | So James' point is that God is the father of the sun and moon which do cast shadows? IE: That he is source of shadows? And that we, also begotten of God, cast shadows? | |
| Feb 3, 2018 at 21:20 | comment | added | Ozzie Ozzie | @ Ruminator.The context leaves no doubt that it is the heavenly bodies which their light casts shadows.The original Greek text has implicit meaning that it is necessary to be made explicit, so that the translation can be readable and understandable to the English reader. So what we consider is whether the words added give us the implied meaning , or add more than what is implied. I suggest you compare translations to the Koine text on Colossians 1:15-20 , you will see the cross distortion of the passage by the words added KJV 135 words, NW 160, NAB 123, NRSV 127, TEV 166, LB 171, AB 194 | |
| Feb 3, 2018 at 18:45 | comment | added | Ruminator | The word "heavenly" does not appear in the Greek, just φῶς. In your list of "translations" that have "heavenly lights" you left out the New World Translation" that has "celestial lights". They provide 2 verses to back that up: Jer 31:35 and 2 Cor 4:6, neither of which are relevant. I'll edit my answer to include a complete BDAG entry to show that the word was not used in reference to a light giving body. I'm also supplying the word that was used in Greek to refer to a light giving body (such as the sun and moon in Genesis, Day 4). | |
| Feb 3, 2018 at 12:41 | comment | added | Ozzie Ozzie | @ Ruminator.Jesus is the firstfruits to God:( 1 Cor. 15:20-23) 20 But in fact Christ has been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have died.[a] 21 For since death came through a human being, the resurrection of the dead has also come through a human being; 22 for as all die in Adam, so all will be made alive in Christ. 23 But each in his own order: Christ the first fruits, then at his coming those who belong to Christ.. Other anointed Christians to follow. 1 Peter 3:18, Revelation 14:1-4, Romans 16:5 1 Corinthians 16:15 | |
| Feb 3, 2018 at 10:38 | comment | added | Ruminator | So in the next verse when he says that he begat us to be first fruits, he really means second fruits? The first fruits being the heavenly bodies? | |
| Feb 3, 2018 at 10:01 | comment | added | Ozzie Ozzie | @ Ruminator. In the same sense we say James Madison is the father of the U.S. Constitution. God as the creator and sustainer of life is called Father. Compare Isaiah 64:8 and Acts 17:28-29. Abraham as founder of a nation Matthew 3:9 | |
| Feb 2, 2018 at 21:30 | comment | added | Ruminator | In what way is he the "father" of the heavenly lights? Creator and sustainer perhaps but father? Does he give perfectly loving gifts to these rotund children of his? | |
| Feb 2, 2018 at 21:24 | history | answered | Ozzie Ozzie | CC BY-SA 3.0 |