Timeline for Is Revelation 3:14 saying that Christ was created by God?
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| Oct 6, 2017 at 15:18 | comment | added | Sola Gratia | That's why I said, "If we wanted to continue, it's telling me to continue in a chat. But briefly..." Again, you are inventing creeds that's aren't mentioned from thin air. I'm talking about Scripture here only. "Since "the Word" and "the Lord of Glory" died, and "the First and the Last..[died]", it is referring to a Person of Whom are predicated things not strictly applicable to his Divine Nature". You seem overly butthurt about something else. It can't surely be about simple disagreement. | |
| Oct 6, 2017 at 14:42 | comment | added | Sola Gratia | Which part do you not understand. | |
| Oct 6, 2017 at 14:32 | comment | added | Sola Gratia | If we wanted to continue, it's telling me to continue in a chat. But briefly: sola scriptura is not a doctrine taugh in Scripture or historic Christianity or Judasim (about theTrinity); 'where does Jesus say I am God worship Me' is a very fallacious question I think you know better; God can refer to a Person, and it can refer to an Essence. Since "the Word" and "the Lord of Glory" died, and "the First and the Last..[died]", it is referring to a Person of Whom are predicated things not strictly applicable to his Divine Nature, whereas they are predicable of a human nature belonging to the Word. | |
| Oct 6, 2017 at 14:08 | comment | added | Sola Gratia | Salvation history, and the two Covenants/'Creations,' pertain only to mankind, since they are the only objects of salvation therein. Do you think Jesus meant something other than "I am God" by "I am the First and the Last"? Seeing as it is a title of God alone? You can't even be the first of creation and the last of creation, anyway. | |
| Oct 6, 2017 at 13:05 | comment | added | Sola Gratia | After the angels. Job 38:4-7. | |
| Oct 6, 2017 at 11:38 | comment | added | Sola Gratia | "Jesus is the first and last in the new regime". This is not the application of the First and the Last in Scripture. It is only to God. It just says, "I am the First and the Last, He that liveth; and was dead, but see: I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys to Death and Hell." Rev 22:13 wouldn't work with the 'first of the new regime' idea. The "First and the Last" is one fo the titles of God: Isaiah 44:6 etc. He is identified as "the Word of God" (Rev 19:13) of John's Gospel, anyway, i.e. the one called "God." Doesn't "regime" ruin the Jesus/Adam parallels (Adam—first creation)? | |
| Oct 6, 2017 at 4:47 | comment | added | Andrew | Do you deny that Jesus will live for eternity...? | |
| Sep 14, 2017 at 20:52 | comment | added | Revelation Lad | "Semantics" begins in Genesis 1 not in Revelation 3:14. There is no "new" regime found in Revelation 3:14; even the non-Trinitarian's like Edward Harwood understand the verse is speaking to creation not somethings which starts 4,000 years after creation. We are dealing with history. | |
| Sep 13, 2017 at 18:06 | comment | added | Revelation Lad | No if, as you attempt, to place a meaning of a being or an entity on the word, you must be consistent and make Him the only entity. The meaning you so adamantly oppose of ruler or principality is the only one which fits. Your position is Jesus is second (to God) and then next to last (to God). I believe you are ignoring the plain meaning of first and last. | |
| Sep 13, 2017 at 17:29 | history | edited | Ruminator | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| Sep 13, 2017 at 17:16 | comment | added | Revelation Lad | First and last reveals an exclusive element to the nature of Jesus Christ. Any meaning of arche which makes Jesus an entity or a regime also makes Him the exclusive entity in that regime. IOW the regime is devoid of any thing other than Jesus. There is no hope for any human to join in this regime unless Jesus is later destroyed and recreated as the last thing in this new regime. A meaning arche of principality or rule is the only one which is consistent with Jesus also being the first and the last. | |
| Sep 13, 2017 at 15:26 | comment | added | Revelation Lad | Jesus is first and last. So if Jesus is the first from the dead, then He is also the last from the dead. Your analysis removes the hope of eternal life. | |
| Sep 10, 2017 at 21:00 | history | answered | Ruminator | CC BY-SA 3.0 |