Timeline for Is the fruit referred to in John 15:5 the same as the fruit of the Spirit?
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Feb 28, 2017 at 23:04 | comment | added | enegue | He was bearing fruit that he thought his parents would recognise. The doctors certainly did - "... all that heard him were astonished at his understanding and answers." (Luke 2:47 KJV) | |
Feb 28, 2017 at 23:03 | comment | added | enegue | @RevelationLad You say, "a fruit of the Spirit emphasis presumes/overlooks the function and necessity of the activities". You are preaching your own gospel with such words. We only have our words and works (fruit) to advertise what is moving us. If we are engaged in "kingdom business" then our fruit will be recognisable as such. When Jesus was 12 years old he said to his parents, "How is it that ye sought me? wist ye not that I must be about my Father's business?" (Luke 2:49). Where was he? In the Temple TALKING with the doctors of the Law. | |
Feb 28, 2017 at 22:29 | comment | added | Revelation Lad | OK - Is it possible the fruit Jesus is speaking of relates to the process of being a witness to get others to open their eyes (in order to receive the gift)? It seems to me a fruit of the Spirit emphasis presumes/overlooks the function and necessity of the activities Jesus expects the disciples to take so that others will ask and receive the Spirit as the gift. The question positions this against the fruit of the spirit (Galatians). But from Paul's perspective the fruit was Galatians believing the Gospel (Galatians 3:2) without which the fruit in Galatians 5 is not possible. | |
Feb 28, 2017 at 22:17 | comment | added | enegue | @RevelationLad The Spirit is a gift from God to one whose eyes have been opened to the Christ, it is not a "product" of the person. | |
Feb 28, 2017 at 22:14 | comment | added | Revelation Lad | It seems like becoming a believer which is the condition required to receive the Spirit which would (later) produce the fruit of the Spirit (in a believer) would be the most important fruit. | |
Feb 28, 2017 at 21:23 | comment | added | enegue | @RevelationLad To answer your question. No, I don't believe some fruit is more significant than others. How can the efforts of a person produce fruit (converts) for the kingdom if that person is producing no "fruit" (work/words) that distinguishes them as representatives of the kingdom? "Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their WORD;" (John 17:20 KJV - emphasis mine) | |
Feb 28, 2017 at 21:01 | comment | added | enegue | @RevelationLad If you are suggesting that the "fruit" Jesus was speaking of was only "people", then I think you are constraining his words. It seems abundantly clear that Jesus was speaking in general terms of ANY PRODUCT of human endeavour. As I said in the last paragraph of my answer, Paul was giving a specific example of the general principle. | |
Feb 28, 2017 at 19:05 | comment | added | Revelation Lad | In terms of Jesus and the Father do you think some fruit is more significant than others? Like a first fruit? For example, before a believer can have the fruit of the Spirit, they would need to be a believer and receive the Spirit | |
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